The JL Challenge

[Johnlegend]

JL

Bro, I'm not going to get into it with you any more over this stuff. 

Frankly, I don't think Bayes would toss you a bone!!  That was an example of what could be thought in this case.

I don't want the results from you.  Bayes was supposed to set up a test which could not be altered.  It has been altered.  I wanted the results from a program which spits out the truth good or bad.

Let me sing THE MOODY BLUES........

"....just what the truth is; I can't say any more..."

Won't sing you the next line!!  LoL

Samster

Sam you are being a little silly. Ill just say this. Even if you had every result. There is no gaurantee that Bayes couldnt have given me or Skakus a helping hand. Think that over. I will beat this RNG eventually but I will do it fair and square. After 3 weeks of battling it I stand at only 173 points. Nothing to write home about. But I have learnt a lot. Now I have a method that can beat it. And I don't want no one implying my impending success is piggybacked off Bayes goodwill.

Everything I've ever gotten in my life has been hard earned this will be no different. End of...

[TwoCatSam]

You have a flawed test...........

I'm not the only one who thinks it.....

Your results are already invalid in my mind no matter what happens.......

If the testing fails, the tested fails.  This testing has failed.  You failed, plain and simple.  I've failed.  We've all failed.

Accept it; move on.

Sam

[Johnlegend]

You have a flawed test...........

I'm not the only one who thinks it.....

Your results are already invalid in my mind no matter what happens.......

If the testing fails, the tested fails.  This testing has failed.  You failed, plain and simple.  I've failed.  We've all failed.

Accept it; move on.

Sam

What you are basically saying then is Bayes is a cheat. As he has the power alone to alter things. I play on because. Bayes will know whatever happens I failed or succeeded  fair and square. And only one person needs to know that as far as I am concerned.

[superman]

What you are basically saying then is Bayes is a cheat

Forget that, there is no way he will help JL that's for sure, 100%

Where is Bayes anyway he has been off the site for a while

Good question, I sent him an email on Monday and have not had a reply yet, he will be back at some point, the man does have a life outside roulette.

If the testing fails, the tested fails.  This testing has failed.  You failed, plain and simple.  I've failed.  We've all failed

I sort of agree with Sam, JL was supposed to have a secret weapon that would be proved to beat RNG day and night, JL tried this secret weapon but it failed miserably so now JL has tried all his different methods and, if I'm right, it using the zone, the very first method he brought to the forums, so the test has failed in one sence as the secret method isn't being used anymore, but the overall test hasn't failed yet as he still has chips left, as far as I am concerned the zone is a doomsday tool, I tested it extensively when it first appeared, maybe with hit n scarper it may last longer, I was hoping the secret method was the one to beat RNG as first stated, sadly it is not looking like it was, so now, I don't care if JL beats it or not because the method being used, UNLESS JL is using something different again, is flawed and will fail.

Good luck JL but interest if dropping off a bit.

[Johnlegend]

Forget that, there is no way he will help JL that's for sure, 100%
 
Good question, I sent him an email on Monday and have not had a reply yet, he will be back at some point, the man does have a life outside roulette.
 
I sort of agree with Sam, JL was supposed to have a secret weapon that would be proved to beat RNG day and night, JL tried this secret weapon but it failed miserably so now JL has tried all his different methods and, if I'm right, it using the zone, the very first method he brought to the forums, so the test has failed in one sence as the secret method isn't being used anymore, but the overall test hasn't failed yet as he still has chips left, as far as I am concerned the zone is a doomsday tool, I tested it extensively when it first appeared, maybe with hit n scarper it may last longer, I was hoping the secret method was the one to beat RNG as first stated, sadly it is not looking like it was, so now, I don't care if JL beats it or not because the method being used, UNLESS JL is using something different again, is flawed and will fail.

Good luck JL but interest if dropping off a bit.

Superman, I am not using the ZONE. I am using a method inspired by a wonderful realization while playing rhe ZONE. Coming back to the ZONE was the best thing I have done since I posted it on here. Combined with Hit and Run style play. What I have here now is a world beater. As good as any method ever conceived on any forum. Now on the eve of this wonderful discovery. We have Sam crying foul play. Let it be. Bayes will know as sure as night follows day. 5 ON 5 is as close to a holy grail as you all will ever get. Now watch it in action. It needs no help from anyone. Just watch it over the coming weeks.

All my struggling and stumbling has paid off. I told you all long ago you get nowhere without hard work and perserverance. I had the courage to expose myself on here. I stumbled and struggled. But my self belief is tougher than titanium. I will be up there with Skakus by the weekend. And let you all decide is this is a secret weapon or not. Game ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[joiner29]

good luck JL I hope you acheive your goals as we will all benefit, some people here do not realize this
tom

[trebor]

The test needs to be whiter than white to satisfy people. There have been so many claims, so many new almost holy grails.

It seems always to be jam tomorrow.

Trebor

PS I hope he does it!

[Johnlegend]

good luck JL I hope you acheive your goals as we will all benefit, some people here do not realize this
tom

Thanks Tom. This is a long term thing. I get annoyed when people lack the patience to wait and see. Skakus took off like a nuclear warhead. I struggled and went down. Ever morphing and trying to figure this beast out. Skakus has done amazing, now its time I joined him up there. With a method that can beat anything. Just watch this thing go.

[Still]

@JohnLegend,  i believe my email is listed in my personal information if you click on my name. Sure, if you have a way of saving to disk, i would be interested in having an update weekly, especially while there is a problem on the web page where results are stored. If you have a complete set of data so much the better.  I don't doubt the latest results i just feel it's important to be able to easily visualize the chart of progress and analyze stats. This is also in the interest of keeping peoples interest high.   

[Johnlegend]

@JohnLegend,  i believe my email is listed in my personal information if you click on my name. Sure, if you have a way of saving to disk, i would be interested in having an update weekly, especially while there is a problem on the web page where results are stored. If you have a complete set of data so much the better.  I don't doubt the latest results i just feel it's important to be able to easily visualize the chart of progress and analyze stats. This is also in the interest of keeping peoples interest high.

Cool Still, I will email you all my results this Friday. At the moment this webpage is behaving itself. Im refreshing it and saving after every single game I play. That may help.

[TwoCatSam]

People

I am not accusing John or Bayes of anything untoward.  What I'm plainly saying is that if the test is flawed, the tested is flawed.  If the test is to jump seven feet high, but you dig a huge ditch just before the bar----what kind of test is that?  Think about it.  Put a 200lb jockey on a horse.  Is that a test of the animal?

Once again John is trying to obfuscate by making me out the bad guy.  I'm the guy who wants an honest test.

Ask yourselves this:  If someone had to take out a portion of the test, why wouldn't they take out the oldest portion rather than the newest? 

Why would they skip from 146 to 172 or whatever?  Makes no sense!

Hopefully the program itself has a bug and it's to blame and the people are all cleared of wrongdoing.

Sam

[Still]

Ok i'll be glad to get a set of data on Friday's.  Ideally it will be a complete set.  I already have most of the data stored and am missing a day or two or some sessions here and there.  I'd like to get those filled in.  I don't think this is going to be a problem.  I seriously doubt JL went suddenly broke, and just as suddenly, Bayes bailed him out by doctoring the data and/or resetting the software.  That's only something i would joke about. 

[Johnlegend]

The test needs to be whiter than white to satisfy people. There have been so many claims, so many new almost holy grails.

It seems always to be jam tomorrow.

Trebor

PS I hope he does it!

Thanks Trevor, I learn on the job I always have. Every format presents a new challenge. At first I will stumble I always do. Once I gauge what it takes to beat something you will see something else. Lets say I have reached that point now. Don't get me wrong. Bayes RNG is formiddable. Skakus will tell you that in a hurry. But he is still beating it. And now its my turn to join him up there. By the weekend. Some of you will start to realize. I don't play around.

[Johnlegend]

Ok i'll be glad to get a set of data on Friday's.  Ideally it will be a complete set.  I already have most of the data stored and am missing a day or two or some sessions here and there.  I'd like to get those filled in.  I don't think this is going to be a problem.  I seriously doubt JL went suddenly broke, and just as suddenly, Bayes bailed him out by doctoring the data and/or resetting the software.  That's only something i would joke about. 

Correct observation Still. Bayes is not about to help me beat his RNG. And Sam is off the money on that assumption. The way I was saving results may be to blame. I dont know how skakus saves his. Now I am saving after every single play instead of leaving it for hours like I was before. I am also refreshing the results page every play. Something I never did before. And of course saving all results to disk now.

This is for real people. I battled my behind off with this thing. In my mind I should already be at 4 figures. I have high expectations. Now watch the next few weeks. Its time to throw down...

[F_LAT_INO]

What is so special with Bayes numbers...beats me...numbers as any other numbers,and  I beat em
all regulary as any other set of numbers......Who know how to do it, is so easy and there shouldn't
be much fuss about it.Some can and some can't or too lazy to become a winners...My 2 chips