The JL Challenge

[Stepkevh]

Again there is a piece out JL's website

08/03/2012
DOZ1     1   W   445
DOZ2                   
                                      its al gone 
08/03/2012
DOZ2     1   W   509
DOZ3     1   L   508

Okay, its the end result that counts but wanted to see the bets in between 

[iggiv]

i can't open this website...but do i see what i see? it's just incredible...
Both Skakus and JL are doing remarkable things...

[Stepkevh]

iggiv,

sometimes i need to reclick the link 3 or 4 times before it realy opens

but indeed, their both doing great

[Skakus]

 
>>>I was working all day today, just had a chance to respond to the question at-hand, the one just posted yesterday.  Think an apology is in order.<<<

Thanks for your comprehensive answer GARNabbey, I will mull it over for a while.

I apologise for hastily giving up on you posting an answer, I blame the 50% proof Smirnoff triple distilled Vodka that I opened yesterday. You not only answered but went beyond the basics. Thanks again.

[Bayes]

Again there is a piece out JL's website

08/03/2012
DOZ1     1   W   445
DOZ2                   
                                      its al gone 
08/03/2012
DOZ2     1   W   509
DOZ3     1   L   508

Okay, its the end result that counts but wanted to see the bets in between 

yeah, the results are still being messed up. 

This won't do, and I've run out of ideas as to how to fix the problem, so I'm going to code the database option. In the meantime, the current version of the software won't be usable. Sorry to do this John when you're doing so well - have a break for a couple of days and watch the Olympics. 

Skakus' file will remain, so he can continue on.

Actually, the more I think about the database idea, the more I like it. When the challenge is finished, it will mean you can run queries on the data. There are free programs which make this easy, you don't necessarily need to know any SQL. A database will be even more useful for looking at the data when I've written the full version (full table layout with drag n drop chips).

[Johnlegend]

yeah, the results are still being messed up. 

This won't do, and I've run out of ideas as to how to fix the problem, so I'm going to code the database option. In the meantime, the current version of the software won't be usable. Sorry to do this John when you're doing so well - have a break for a couple of days and watch the Olympics. 

Skakus' file will remain, so he can continue on.

Actually, the more I think about the database idea, the more I like it. When the challenge is finished, it will mean you can run queries on the data. There are free programs which make this easy, you don't necessarily need to know any SQL. A database will be even more useful for looking at the data when I've written the full version (full table layout with drag n drop chips).

Okay Bayes. I am on a good run at the moment, and was hoping to double my BR today. But I will wait for the database. Cheers.

[Bayes]

Running a bit behind with this as I got caught up with the Olympics over the weekend (go team GB!  ). Also, it seems there's no easy way to stop the database from being opened, so I've decided to use an encrypted text file instead. You should get it today or tomorrow at the latest. Hopefully your good run will continue. 

[TwoCatSam]

*** Also, it seems there's no easy way to stop the database from being opened***


So.......what does the above mean?  "Opened" as in opened and modified/changed?  And if there is no way to prevent this, the other side of the pancake is...someone is/has been doing it.  Otherwise, how would you know there is no way to prevent it?

Who is opening the database.  Inquiring minds want to know.

TwoCatSam

[Bayes]

Sam,

Since I'm no longer uploading results directly to the web page, I was planning on using a database (SQLite,  an industry standard) which JL would keep on his pc and in which the results would be stored. So the idea was that every week or two, JL would send me a copy of the database which I would then access and extract the saved results. Unfortunately, for this DB, there is no way to protect it - anyone can use freely available software to access and modify the contents. Other databases such as MySQL can be password protected, but they're harder to use and over the top for this application, it would be like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

So plan B is to save the results to an ordinary text file instead of a DB, then encrypt the file. JL COULD modify the contents, but since he wouldn't know what he was modifying, the decrypted results would be garbled, and I would know the file was tampered with. Not that I'm suggesting he would do that, of course. 

[Bayes]

@ GARNabby,

The reason I deleted some of your posts (not all of them) was because some of them were off-topic and/or personal attacks. I don't have the time or inclination to get involved in a p1ssing contest with you or anyone else. By the way, any thread starter can delete any posts he/she feels are inappropriate, they are the moderators of their own threads.

[Johnlegend]

Sam,

Since I'm no longer uploading results directly to the web page, I was planning on using a database (SQLite,  an industry standard) which JL would keep on his pc and in which the results would be stored. So the idea was that every week or two, JL would send me a copy of the database which I would then access and extract the saved results. Unfortunately, for this DB, there is no way to protect it - anyone can use freely available software to access and modify the contents. Other databases such as MySQL can be password protected, but they're harder to use and over the top for this application, it would be like using a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

So plan B is to save the results to an ordinary text file instead of a DB, then encrypt the file. JL COULD modify the contents, but since he wouldn't know what he was modifying, the decrypted results would be garbled, and I would know the file was tampered with. Not that I'm suggesting he would do that, of course. 

Hello Bayes no I don't need to ever cheat I have a method that has this game in the bag. But please make sure I couldn't cheat. I don't want people like Sam implying there's any foul play. I like your idea about having everything online so I play and the results are right there for all to see. But if you insist you would know if there was any foul play with this one we will go with that.

[TwoCatSam]

***people like Sam***

Exactly who are "people like Sam"?  Spell it out!

Skeptics?  Guilty as charged!

Now is your chance, JL.  Your friend AMK has accused me of thinking I'm perfect in spite of the many times I've publicly announced that I hosed up!  Many times!!  Jump on and get your two-cents worth in. 

I had hoped we would get an impeachable test of your abilities.  Despite the excellent and dedicated work of Bayes, we have not. 

The absolute truth is, John, what you're trying to do is impossible.  Any more than you can add 2+2 and get 4.00000000000001.  Just ain't gonna happen.  Even with a million zeros. 

You are, as I have suspected from the start, all talk and no action.  If you were sincere, you would just open an account at any reputable casino and show us how you make money.  No person who can make money at roulette would waste their time taking a test.

"The proof is in the pudding."  All you serve is wind pudding!

Sam
(I'll bet my arse there are others like me!)

[TwoCatSam]

Again there is a piece out JL's website

08/03/2012
DOZ1     1   W   445
DOZ2                   
                                      its al gone 
08/03/2012
DOZ2     1   W   509
DOZ3     1   L   508

Okay, its the end result that counts but wanted to see the bets in between 

I totally disagree.

What we need is to know that certain numbers were furnished and bets were made on some of those certain numbers and that there is a winning result.  We need to know those numbers were as pure as if they were just spun off the Dublin wheel.  No human intervention.

We need to be able, at the end of the test, to check those numbers for accuracy.  That is--if we want an honest test.

Sam

[Bayes]

Sam,

What you're asking for in this test would be a very difficult and impractical task. I don't know why you're not also questioning the validity of Skakus' results? The problems with JL's results on the web page was unfortunate (I suspect it may have something to do with the constant closing and restarting of the program, but that's not JL's fault), but how do you know Skakus isn't hacking into the server and changing the results? It's POSSIBLE (just very very unlikely).

The only way we can know that certain numbers were furnished and that JL made a certain bet etc is to see him making the bets in real time in a way that's completely transparent, but I don't know how that could be done, not to mention the time it would take.

I'm satisfied that JL's results are genuine, because the bank file (which records the final bank after each session) hasn't been affected by this bug, we're just in the dark about some of the bets made.

The new approach I propose will be as foolproof, if not more so, than uploading the results to a web page. If there's any tampering going on, I assure you I'll know about it.

Unless you think I'm in cahoots with JL to engineer some kind of scam? well that's also possible I suppose, but also not very likely, given that I've been one of his detractors for so long.

[Johnlegend]

***people like Sam***

Exactly who are "people like Sam"?  Spell it out!

Skeptics?  Guilty as charged!

Now is your chance, JL.  Your friend AMK has accused me of thinking I'm perfect in spite of the many times I've publicly announced that I hosed up!  Many times!!  Jump on and get your two-cents worth in. 

I had hoped we would get an impeachable test of your abilities.  Despite the excellent and dedicated work of Bayes, we have not. 

The absolute truth is, John, what you're trying to do is impossible.  Any more than you can add 2+2 and get 4.00000000000001.  Just ain't gonna happen.  Even with a million zeros. 

You are, as I have suspected from the start, all talk and no action.  If you were sincere, you would just open an account at any reputable casino and show us how you make money.  No person who can make money at roulette would waste their time taking a test.

"The proof is in the pudding."  All you serve is wind pudding!

Sam
(I'll bet my arse there are others like me!)

Sam you blow hot and cold. One minute you say I have your respect for doing this test. Then you cry foul play because results were deleted. Bayes knows I've done this fair and square. He is now working om a better version so what's your problem? My objective is to show I can beat an Rng, then actuals. Then Live wheels. And that's the order I'm going in. You have a bias towards doing things your way I get that.

But please let me do this the way I plan. Bayes has put a lot of work into this. And without question he is being fair and unbiased about this test. You will get your  test when I'm ready.