The JL Challenge

[Johnlegend]

Quite impressive.

Does anyone see the big "IF" in the last couple of posts?

Sam

Hi Sam. How do you mean?

[TwoCatSam]

John

You're using four systems.  If  a person tried to duplicate your results, they would not know when to use what system.

If you wanted to be crass, you could say, "Oh, well, in that case you should have used PATTERN BREAKER."

To truly test a system, one must have exact rules (or it's not a "system") and follow the exact progression with the exact amount of spins.  Can't do ten spins and call it a winner.

Sam

[Johnlegend]

Progress update. I have had a great session today and have quadruppled the starting BR OF 300 POINTS. Now standing at 1225 points. When you have a strong BR under you, it gives you more confidence to stake higher to speed recovery. Which is what I had to do today. Going to the max a few times. I mixed it up today playing some E/C methods like PATTERN 4 and PATTERN BREAKER.
I wanted to get to a nice level as I will be travelling around a lot next week so won't be able to play as much. Its nice to finally be in Skakus territory after struggling down the bottom for the first 3 weeks.

[Johnlegend]

John

You're using four systems.  If  a person tried to duplicate your results, they would not know when to use what system.

If you wanted to be crass, you could say, "Oh, well, in that case you should have used PATTERN BREAKER."

To truly test a system, one must have exact rules (or it's not a "system") and follow the exact progression with the exact amount of spins.  Can't do ten spins and call it a winner.

Sam

Sam I play Hit and Run so never stay on one method too long. Money management is flexible for me. This is the human factor I have always talked about. This is where it comes in. You are betting money to make money. If its always too rigid  it will never work. I will tell you that clear. Unless I am using a method like 5, which has a powerful strikerate. I can then use the classic 4 step progression with confidence.

With Pattern breaker, Pattern 4 and Divide and Conquer. They are fast turnover methods with low buy ins. Where you trade a lower strike rate. You must have something that makes them worthwhile. That something is the rarity of DOUBLE LOSSES. that's where you know you can take up the staking to recover a lost game quickly. In essence. PATTERN BREAKER and DIVIDE AND CONQUER. are money management methods. They have a consistency on the second attack.

Whereas a method like 5, can win several 100 times in a row. I am now over 600 without loss. I can systematically bet a fixed progression on that all day. I can play one method at a time. But I usually play 2 or three.

[Chauncy47]

Sam I play Hit and Run so never stay on one method too long. Money management is flexible for me. This is the human factor I have always talked about. This is where it comes in. You are betting money to make money. If its always too rigid  it will never work. I will tell you that clear. Unless I am using a method like 5, which has a powerful strikerate. I can then use the classic 4 step progression with confidence.

With Pattern breaker, Pattern 4 and Divide and Conquer. They are fast turnover methods with low buy ins. Where you trade a lower strike rate. You must have something that makes them worthwhile. That something is the rarity of DOUBLE LOSSES. that's where you know you can take up the staking to recover a lost game quickly. In essence. PATTERN BREAKER and DIVIDE AND CONQUER. are money management methods. They have a consistency on the second attack.

Whereas a method like 5, can win several 100 times in a row. I am now over 600 without loss. I can systematically bet a fixed progression on that all day. I can play one method at a time. But I usually play 2 or three.

JL,  You knew I would have to add to your post...lol... as I am a huge fan of your appraoch to the game. Its not just your methods that I support, but its really your mental appraoch and discipline that sets you apart from many others and aslo your understanding of randomness.  Like you, I coninue to play P4, Divide & Conquer, Code 4 and a few others.  All those methods are extremely solid!  Additionaly, you are absolutely correct about money management as it relates to the rarity of double losses.  I recently had 2 first round losses while playing P4 but had no double loss to follow and made a full recovery.  Remember, I have 5 unit minimums and can only play live and so my point is that those losses could have really rattled my appraoch/confidence.  Its so important to stay disciplined and unfazed by little blips like this and if you can stay disciplined mentally and true to your game plan, success is the only possible outcome. 

You mentioned Method 5?  Is that what you are working on now?  As always, look forward to hearing more from you and all the others!  Thank you from your contributions!!

[Johnlegend]

JL,  You knew I would have to add to your post...LoL... as I am a huge fan of your appraoch to the game. Its not just your methods that I support, but its really your mental appraoch and discipline that sets you apart from many others and aslo your understanding of randomness.  Like you, I coninue to play P4, Divide & Conquer, Code 4 and a few others.  All those methods are extremely solid!  Additionaly, you are absolutely correct about money management as it relates to the rarity of double losses.  I recently had 2 first round losses while playing P4 but had no double loss to follow and made a full recovery.  Remember, I have 5 unit minimums and can only play live and so my point is that those losses could have really rattled my appraoch/confidence.  Its so important to stay disciplined and unfazed by little blips like this and if you can stay disciplined mentally and true to your game plan, success is the only possible outcome. 

You mentioned Method 5?  Is that what you are working on now?  As always, look forward to hearing more from you and all the others!  Thank you from your contributions!!

Hello Chauncy good to hear from you. Yes the right state of mind is important. Yes five is the method I've been using a lot lately. It works well and has helped me get to four figures. I will share it soon. All the best.

[vundarosa]

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Money management is flexible for me. This is the human factor I have always talked about. This is where it comes in.
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oh, it seems i've been tuned in to the wrong channel all this time....i thought it was patience and discipline...humm ok....great job nevertheless JL if anything it’s at least encouraging that it can be done on the long run

vundarosa
 

[TwoCatSam]

John, John, John..................

You're a smart fellow.  You know the "human factor" is not part of a system.  That's intuition or a G.U.T. feeling or Voodoo or whatever.

Just when I have hope in you, I am tossed a curve ball. 

Look at that little "Surround" system MOP posted.  Hard and fast rules!!  Could be programed into a bot.  Human factor cannot be.

Sam

[Johnlegend]

John, John, John..................

You're a smart fellow.  You know the "human factor" is not part of a system.  That's intuition or a G.U.T. feeling or Voodoo or whatever.

Just when I have hope in you, I am tossed a curve ball. 

Look at that little "Surround" system MOP posted.  Hard and fast rules!!  Could be programed into a bot.  Human factor cannot be.

Sam

Sam Now you know. Its not about following rules all the time. The only criteria set in stone is how I arrive at my bet selection. How I stake it for a low turnover merhod has to be flexible.

I can play rigidly all the way up to 5000 Poimts and beyond. That's no problem. But if the method had no strong points. No amount of MM can help it anyway. You know that already.

[TwoCatSam]

John

When this test started, I assumed--maybe incorrectly--that any person who followed the "rules" would be able to duplicate the results.  Now, with the "human factor" figure in, that is not so.

Too bad; so sad!

Sam

[Johnlegend]

John

When this test started, I assumed--maybe incorrectly--that any person who followed the "rules" would be pable to duplicate the results.  Now, with the "human factor" figure in, that is not so.

Too bad; so sad!

Sam

Sam you have a way of over dramatizing things. Anyone could win doing what I do.

The only difference as I already mentioned is for methods like Pattern Breaker and Divide and conquer. You attack the game after a loss more heavily.

With Five you can stake 1-3-9-27 for ever and still turn a handsome profit because the strikerate is strong.

This is nothing earth shattering its the way I've always played. And always made profit. I'm showing you how I do it. Whether you want to learn from my example or not is entirely up to you. The bottom line is you know now how and why I succeed.

[TwoCatSam]

Johnathon

I'd love to learn if you would....ever say anything!!   

Samster

EDIT:  Take a break, John.  Get a brew and watch my movies posted today.  I spell out in exact detail what I'm doing.  Nothing left to the imagination.

[Chauncy47]

I have to side with JL on the "Human Factor"  I have observed how the "human factor" plays a role in the game from both from sides of the table.  I support his Hit & Run style and they are extremely solid methods.  It is true that those methods aren't for everyone and not everyone is wired mentally to play it the same way JL plays it.  My observations come from watching people play night after night as I can only play live at casinos here in the USA.  So I have the opportunity to observe how the human factor/emotion effects the outcome of a players success or failure for that game or night.  From time to time(very rare), I encounter what is called a bad streak, but look at it this way when it occurs:  Every Friday I get a paycheck ....but in order to get it, I have to drive to work everyday and at some point I have to put gas in my car.  My point is that I have to spend  a little money in gas but the reward at the end of the week is so worth it.  I look at "bad streaks" the same way.  Every once in a while I have to give back a little to randomness, but its worth it at the end of the month.  Using JL's methods, style, mental approach and discipline, works very well for him and I am grateful it works for me and for some others I know.  However, I will share that its not for everyone and that doesn't make it right or wrong ... it just means that it works for him and possibly some players too.  There are winning methods all over this forum and others ... but until someone comes up with a winning method that wins 100% of the time, the human factor will play a role in the outcome.   I have played his method(s) for over 6 months now and the results are extremely solid.  I will continue to play this way and will always look for ways to improve.  I am much more of an observer in this forum than I am a participant and just wanted to offer a different opinion.  I have an offer for JL but will have to come back tomorrow as I need to run.  JL, keep up the good work and I appreciate your contribution to the forum as I do everyone elses contribution.           

[TwoCatSam]

To Anyone.........

Other than "Know when to hold 'em; Know when to fold 'em." what is the human factor?

1.  Nerves of steel?
2.  Ability to stick to a plan?
3.  Avoiding distractions?

Or is it just a G.U.T. feeling?

Sam

[donik7777]

Hello John!
Can you explain about your method FIVE, so will be better if we start testing too?
Thanks for your effort.