The JL Challenge

[vundarosa]

To Anyone.........

Other than "Know when to hold 'em; Know when to fold 'em." what is the human factor?

1.  Nerves of steel?
2.  Ability to stick to a plan?
3.  Avoiding distractions?

Or is it just a G.U.T. feeling?

Sam

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wat it is i dunno....?! but as far as i'm concerned i thought the challange began because no one could replicate the results JL had playing stricktly by the rules he posted...he stressed about patience and discipline.....now he comes in talking about the human factor.....to me this test has lost merit on the grounds it started.......however the results are encouraging as one thing it shows is that its possible to keep that BR growing even after a bad start.....if you're lucky enough <cough cough>, err, i mean, if you are well tuned in to the *human factor*......

vundarosa

[Robeenhuut]

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wat it is i dunno....?! but as far as i'm concerned i thought the challange began because no one could replicate the results JL had playing stricktly by the rules he posted...he stressed about patience and discipline.....now he comes in talking about the human factor.....to me this test has lost merit on the grounds it started.......however the results are encouraging as one thing it shows is that its possible to keep that BR growing even after a bad start.....if you're lucky enough <cough cough>, err, i mean, if you are well tuned in to the *human factor*......

vundarosa

Its always human factor unless you use a bot and go to sleep.     Real life betting is a completely different thing. You think twice before you put 200 euros on 2 dozens but sometimes you need to take chances. They are few tools that evaluate your system like Van Keelen test, Kelly criterion or z score. But if your system or betting strategy gets excellent score (like z score of 5) in large number of spins it does not mean that it will perform as well in a next set of spins. If you do 1000 bets on Ec's flat betting and make 100u your z score will be massive but in  the next 1000 bets you might end up with -5.  So you can read between the lines about my opinion about any challenge here.

[Johnlegend]

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wat it is i dunno....?! but as far as i'm concerned i thought the challange began because no one could replicate the results JL had playing stricktly by the rules he posted...he stressed about patience and discipline.....now he comes in talking about the human factor.....to me this test has lost merit on the grounds it started.......however the results are encouraging as one thing it shows is that its possible to keep that BR growing even after a bad start.....if you're lucky enough <cough cough>, err, i mean, if you are well tuned in to the *human factor*......

vundarosa

Stop over complicating things. The human factor simply means you respond to your results. And it only applies to low buy in methods. Like I keep saying, a method like FIVE can succeed at one staking level. Sam has a bias towards his screenshot testing. My question is how long would it take to test a method properly on there? When you consider they spin 20 times an hour.

[Robeenhuut]

People expect to be presented method on a platter here but if somebody delivers here using few methods at once which in my opinion is a smart thing to do i dont see any problem.
And number of spins is also of course the factor.

[Johnlegend]

Hello John!
Can you explain about your method FIVE, so will be better if we start testing too?
Thanks for your effort.

I will explain it once I hit 2000 points.

[Skakus]

If you do 1000 bets on ECs flat betting and make 100u your z score will be massive but in the next 1000 bets you might end up with -5.

What about a steadily rising z-score after 5000 spins? What about 10,000? What about 50,000?

How many spins would you need before you can take it to the bank? 

[Robeenhuut]

What about a steadily rising z-score after 5000 spins? What about 10,000? What about 50,000?

How many spins would you need before you can take it to the bank? 

Skakus its irrelevant how many spins. Some suggest 50000 spins if you flat bet and 0.5M if you use progression.  If you have excellent score and profit after 5k just play it. Some people will always tell you that they saw a system tank after 5k after it performed flawlessly before but what's a point. 
There is never enough testing to be done. What i do if possible is  to look at the graph if its coded and analyze it by breaking down into real life sessions.  Otherwise some paper and pen and few sessions to get an idea. But I'm not an expert here.

You just hope to be dealt good set of number that fits your betting strategy if it shows some promise. And you wont see a steady rise in your score over large number of spins hehe...

Regards

[ego]

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Is there any update how many won units and lost units with this challenge.
Is JL now playing with the casinos money and not hes own money.
That should be every ones goal stop risking there own money and let the casinos money win money for us.

[Stepkevh]

link:://:.gigabean.co.uk/s_test.html

he's at 1200 + now, so as far that i know he already plays with casino money

[ego]

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That sound cool - nice ...

[vundarosa]

Stop over complicating things. The human factor simply means you respond to your results. And it only applies to low buy in methods. Like I keep saying, a method like FIVE can succeed at one staking level. Sam has a bias towards his screenshot testing. My question is how long would it take to test a method properly on there? When you consider they spin 20 times an hour.

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JL i think you sidestep the real issue i pointed out....but no worries....its all clear now to me at  least....better to be lucky than to be smart......ciao

vundarosa

[Johnlegend]

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JL i think you sidestep the real issue i pointed out....but no worries....its all clear now to me at  least....better to be lucky than to be smart......ciao

vundarosa

Better to win than to lose. I havent been able to play this week as I'm out of town. I will be back
tomorrow evening and will resume.my play.

[TwoCatSam]

Maybe we should define a "system".  Anyone?

[superman]

Maybe we should define a "system".  Anyone?

A system is something that will eventually be caught up by random which = the player feeling cheated, robbed, mugged, raped, violated etc etc

A method on the otherhand is a style of play that relies on what's happening currently from the RNG (not real wheels as they are random) RNG's have a good tendency of producing the same happenings at the same intervals over time, understanding these happenings is key, but even then the gaps between these happenings can vary, a lot.

[TwoCatSam]

A system is a laid-out set of rules by which we play.  There is no wiggle room; no place for "human intervention".  A bot could play it as well as a human.  It can have a stop-loss and a profit goal.  It can have a trailing loss.

The most simple system:

When you see five of anything in a row, bet for the opposite.  Double you bet and keep betting until 1, you go broke or 2, you hit the table limit.  This was invented by a guy named Martin Gayle.  Yes, there is a chance it will lose!

Now that was TwoCat humor, but it's true.  That is a system.

I had hoped Johnlegend would post a set of hard-and-fast rules as he said he would.  And with those rules, we would all make a few skins.

"Human intervention", no matter how valuable, is not part of a system.

DISCLAIMER:  The above is only my opinion; I have not been up the mountain!

TwoCat