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[ophis]

Hi ophis,


How hard would it be to have a save session option, that put it out in a format like you showed, would be a great way of keeping played sessions for review, and if it could be imported into excel even better


thanks
malcop

there is auto-save sessions.

but it only saves numbers spun and chart(graph).

later on if u rly want u can take those saved numbers and import them/run them in tracker
and get Excel raport.

for now there is no way to autosave excel.

[malcop]

there is auto-save sessions.

but it only saves numbers spun and chart(graph).

later on if u rly want You can take those saved numbers and import them/run them in tracker
and get Excel raport.

for now there is no way to autosave excel.

Hi ophis,


I know there is no way to export excel, you would have to have a excel sheet that could play the system and then, import the spun numbers, but even a text file played out with the session played would be great, for reference.


Thanks


malcop

[flukey luke]

Hello Robeenhuut,

You are right! The bets were streets 2,3,9.

I am playing at Eurogrand at the moment and they spin the ball pretty rapidly compared to some of the other 'live' online casinos.

I made out a miniature chart to sit next to my laptop and it is easy when you are rushing through the chart to miss a street to bet. It does not happen often but it happens.

I am looking forward to the tracker as much as the next guy. (no mistakes = no lost winnings)

[flukey luke]

Thank you Ophis for putting up that excel chart. I think that sheet explains things in a very clear manner.

[flukey luke]

Anyone studying the sheet above that Ophis uploaded should look at row 64.

There is only one street left here (the 12 street) You would not play here.

I think a simpler way of understanding is to say that you end a game when the 12 street is the only street left.

You could have a situation where there are 4 streets left and then 3 of them get knocked out leaving the 12 by itself. You would not play in this situation.

It could jump from 3 streets left to just the 12 street and bypass 2 streets left. You would not play in this situation.

I don't think it's a good idea to play when just the 12 street is left. I don't see the point of risking 10 units just to win 2. That really goes against the whole concept of the idea.

It was really my mistake in saying waiting for 2 streets left and then playing to the very next loss because you might not get 2 streets left as explained above.

The good news is we are getting there. All the little niggles are getting ironed out.

Thanks.

[xxlakis]

Fluke last night i was left with 3 uncrossed lines and i moved to 1 uncrossed line(11 lines betting).Well i continued betting and bot had 21 hits on that 11 lines before losing.What would you recommend?


edit: just read your post

[Master_of_pockets]

This 12th street is very naughty! 

[flukey luke]

The thing is xxlakis that an early loss playing like that may wipe out the gains from any earlier wins in the game.

All you are really doing when the 12 is the only street left to appear is betting for the very last street not to appear and the 12 street not to appear.

example.

street 5 has just appeared.

so now you would be betting 1,2,3,4,6,7,8,9,10,11 = 10 bets.

street 8 then appears.

So now you bet 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,9,10,11 = 10 bets.

Now if street 8 appears (repeat) or the 12 street appears, you have lost.

I know from personal experience you can get huge winning runs from playing for the repeat street and the 12 street not to show.

All I can say is that I would not personally play it like that.

For example... playing when there are 2 streets left (maybe the 6 and 12) will see you only playing 7 streets. I think that's ok and the winning runs can still be good like the 8W you see in the sheet above.

Hope that helps.

[Robeenhuut]

Hello Robeenhuut,

You are right! The bets were streets 2,3,9.

I am playing at Eurogrand at the moment and they spin the ball pretty rapidly compared to some of the other 'live' online casinos.

I made out a miniature chart to sit next to my laptop and it is easy when you are rushing through the chart to miss a street to bet. It does not happen often but it happens.

I am looking forward to the tracker as much as the next guy. (no mistakes = no lost winnings)

Hola FL

Thanks 4 clarification. No big deal. U saved 1u n still got a win  Speaking about fast spins. SMLive casino airball is not as fast as PP or WH but still its a challenge 2 figure out n place bets on time. But 4 some people it takes more time 2 punch in numbers n enter bets using a tracker than 2 do it old fashioned way. But kudos 2 Ophis anyway.

Regards

[maestro]

graph looks great..according to 12 street i would say lets not punch the cake while still in the oven..lets stick to flukes rules and once tracker is ready you can see how it goes and make adjustments if required...

[flukey luke]

Hello Tomla + JL,

Here is the example I promised. All you need is the chart which can be found over at system9.weebly.com and the sheet that Ophis uploaded which you will find above. I think that will be the best way to explain things.

You need a scorecard / sheet of paper as well.

Write down the numbers 1-12 on the top of your card.

1  2  3  4  5  6  7  8  9  10  11  12.

So looking at the sheet, you can see the first number out was 23 (street 8}

The next number out is 11 (street 4)

So the 8 street has went to the 4 street.

If you look at the chart on my pages, you need to look for the 8-4.

Here are all the 8’s.

8-1 = (1,3,5)
8-2 = (2,5,6)
8-3 = (3,7)
8-4 = (4,8,9)  *****here it is*****
8-5 = (5,9,11)
8-6 = (1,6,10)
8-7 = (2,7,11)
8-8 = (8,12)
8-9 = (1,9,10)
8-10 = (2,8,10)
8-11 = (3,6,11)
8-12 = (4,12)

So 8-4 = 4,8,9.

You now cross the 4,8,9 out on your 1-12 line on the top of your card.

It leaves you with the following.....

1  2  3  5  6  7  10  11  12  (9) The 9 here in brackets now represents that there are only 9 streets left.

You can see looking at the sheet from Ophis that the 4,8,9 have been removed from the second line.

So now how do I work out if there is a bet....

I use the same chart. But the current street out is now the 4 street because number 11 appeared. So I need to look at all the 4’s. Here they are.....


4-1 = (1,6,9)
4-2 = (2,8,10)
4-3 = (3,10,11)
4-4 = (4,12)
4-5 = (1,2,5)
4-6 = (2,4,6)
4-7 = (3,5,7)
4-8 = (3,4,8}
4-9 = (1,5,9)
4-10 = (6,10,11)
4-11 = (7,9,11)
4-12 = (7,8,12)

Now remember the three missing streets are the 4,8,9.

I look through all these 4’s for a combination of the 4,8,9. If I find one, I need to bet that street on the next spin. No other street can be in one of these lines with the 4,8,9.
4-1 = (1,6,9) *no*
4-2 = (2,8,10) *no*
4-3 = (3,10,11) *no*
4-4 = (4,12) *no*
4-5 = (1,2,5) *no*
4-6 = (2,4,6) *no*
4-7 = (3,5,7) *no*
4-8 = (3,4,8} *no*
4-9 = (1,5,9) *no*
4-10 = (6,10,11) *no*
4-11 = (7,9,11) *no*
4-12 = (7,8,12) *no*

So you can see there is no combination of the 4,8,9 in any of those lines and therefore there is no bet on the next spin.

The next number out is 36. (street 12)

So the last street (4) went to this current street (12)

Looking at the chart, find the 4-12.

Here it is......

4-1 = (1,6,9)
4-2 = (2,8,10)
4-3 = (3,10,11)
4-4 = (4,12)
4-5 = (1,2,5)
4-6 = (2,4,6)
4-7 = (3,5,7)
4-8 = (3,4,8}
4-9 = (1,5,9)
4-10 = (6,10,11)
4-11 = (7,9,11)
4-12 = (7,8,12)  *****here*****

So 4-12 = 7,8,12.

You now cross out the 7 and 8 on your 1-12 line on your card. (you have already crossed out the 8 earlier)

**IMPORTANT RULE**

Never cross out the 12 on this line.

So your 1-12 line should now look like this.

1  2  3  5  6  10  11  12.  (9)  (8} There are now only 8 streets left.

So we need to see if there is a bet.

I go back to the chart and the current street out is the 12.

Here are the 12’s.


12-1 = (1,11)
12-2 = (1,2)
12-3 = (3)
12-4 = (4,5)
12-5 = (5,7)
12-6 = (6,9)
12-7 = (7,10)
12-8 = (8}
12-9 = (6,9)
12-10 = (4,10)
12-11 = (2,11)
12-12 =  (12)

So now there are 4 missing streets. They are the 4,7,8,9.

I look through all the 12’s for a combination of the 4,7,8,9.

12-1 = (1,11) *no*
12-2 = (1,2) *no*
12-3 = (3) *no*
12-4 = (4,5) *no*
12-5 = (5,7) *no*
12-6 = (6,9) *no*
12-7 = (7,10) *no*
12-8 = (8} *yes! So this is a bet.*
12-9 = (6,9) *no*
12-10 = (4,10) *no*
12-11 = (2,11) *no*
12-12 =  (12) *no*

So there is a bet on street 8 on the next spin.

The next number out is 24 (street 8} It’s a winner.

This is how it’s done. You should now be able to work your way through the rest of the sheet using the chart and your card and understand what’s going on.

It is not that difficult once you have had a few goes at it.

Cheers.

[ophis]

Anyone studying the sheet above that Ophis uploaded should look at row 64.

There is only one street left here (the 12 street) You would not play here.

I think a simpler way of understanding is to say that you end a game when the 12 street is the only street left.

You could have a situation where there are 4 streets left and then 3 of them get knocked out leaving the 12 by itself. You would not play in this situation.

It could jump from 3 streets left to just the 12 street and bypass 2 streets left. You would not play in this situation.

Here is sheet with corrected behavior.
Please confirm those results.

[flukey luke]

Hello Ophis,

Yes, that's correct. Thank you very much!

[GLC]

You're right, this is a reasonably easy system to learn and not too difficult to play.  Testing is a bear.  I've been trying to see if there's a rhyme or reason to the development of your charts.  And I'm with MOP, why is the 12 street different than the other streets?

Was this charting system put together based on the wheel layout?  If there's no unrevealed reason for the relationships in the chart, couldn't we use the same playing method but make the chart a little more use friendly.  Otherwise I'll have to agree that this is based on "Voodoo".

Maybe the piece of the puzzle that makes this a winning system is not the chart, but the bet selection method and some of your, as Victor says "conscious" decisions made during play.

I always feel better playing a system if I know the "whys and wherefores" that cause it to work.  The more light you can shed on this aspect of the system, would be helpful.  Realizing that it's your system and I respect your right to reveal as much as you want regarding how you put it together.

Since you are freely revealing how to play the system to the world, and you have presented it in a very professional manner, and we have enough respect for you that we are willing to take your word at face value that you have been winning with  this for the past 6-9 months; what difference would it make to share how you came up with the charts.

Just being nosey.

GLC

[flukey luke]

George,  It's a long thread but here is what I wrote earlier....

If you look at the chart and at series 1....

1-1 = (1,12)
1-2 = (1,2)
1-3 = (2,3,4)
1-4 = (3,4,6)
1-5 = (4,5,8)
1-6 = (5,6,10)
1-7 = (6,7,11)
1-8 = (7,8,9)
1-9 = (7,8,9)
1-10 = (5,9,10)
1-11 = (3,10,11)
1-12 = (1,11,12)

So assuming that street 1 has just appeared, there are only 2 chances that it can go to the 12 street.

Either you are going to get a repeat street on the 1 and therefore (1,12) or it is going to go to the 12 street and therefore (1,11,12)

There are 3 chances it can go to a 3.
Three chances it can go to a 4.
Three chances it can go to a 5 etc...


You will see the same if you go through the whole chart.


That explains the rationale behind the 12 street.


I tried all sorts of charts to somehow try and get to a point where you can bet as few streets
as possible and still get some winning runs. This particular chart works the best. I don't really want to change it for that reason.

Testing it in the initial stages is going to be a slog if you are not used to it. It will very soon become second nature for anyone who sticks at it and likes to play manually.

The good news is the tracker is on the way for those who would prefer to play it that way.

Regards

fl