system9 'my personal h.g.'

[Juiced91]

The bot is amazing. Very well done!! Thank you

[flukey luke]

The bot is amazing. Very well done!! Thank you

It certainly exceeded my expectations. It's fantastic.


Another game...

3 streets left. W7, W6, W6, W7, W6, W7, W6, W7, W7, L6
2 streets left. W5, W5, W5, W5, W5, W4, W4, L7

The thing here is the wins can go on and on. A loss at three streets left either takes it to 2 streets left or ends the game. There are no huge downsides but the potential for some big upsides as in my example.

Maybe a labouchere type bet or even Lanky's divisor could work well in this situation.

Next 2 games....

3 streets left W7, W7, W7, L6
2 streets left L6

3 streets left W5, W7, L5
2 streets left L8

[Master_of_pockets]

I still can t test as i can t have access.
Is it downloadable?

[flukey luke]

I don't know what to suggest M_O_P.

I had no problem downloading it.

[malcop]

I still can t test as i can t have access.
Is it downloadable?

download worked fine for me, but in the meantime if your gave your email address to someone they could send it to you as a file attachment.


Thanks


malcop

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FOR ALL

[Master_of_pockets]

Thanks speed 

[GLC]

 This is an attempt to provide a very solid bet progression for this system.  It is an adaptation of one of my favorite bet progressions.  The popular name for the bet progression is “The Penthouse Method”.

This method is very solid and if you have a winning system, this method will help you to win more than a flat bet with little chance of it getting out of control.

The Penthouse method was introduced to be played on dozens but it can be adapted to any bet location.

When playing Streets you begin your line with the amount you are betting.  Usually this is 1 unit.  If you lose, you just add to the right another 1 and your line looks like this 1 1.  Since the odds are 11:1 we will use the number 12 as our limit for betting a 1 and losing.  That means that once I have bet 1 and lost it 12 times, I will begin betting 2 each time until I have lost my 2 bets 12 times.  Now the odds are that you will only win 1 time in 12 tries betting on the Streets so expect to have a lot of losses and few wins. 

You always write down on the right end of the line the number of units you are betting.  When you finally win a bet, you circle or underline that bet and cross off the 11 losses to the left of that win number.

Let’s say you just lost 15 bets in a row your line will look like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2
That’s 12 each 1’s and after losing 12 times at a bet level we move to the next level so the last 3 bets were at the 2 unit level.  Let’s say we win bet 16.  Our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2
Now we only have 4 uncrossed off 1’s and we don’t bet 2 units until we have 12 uncrossed off 1’s so our next bet will be 1 and our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1
Let’s say we lose the next 10 bets, our line will look like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2
After we had 12 lost 1 unit bets we had to go to 2 unit bets
Let’s say we win the next bet.  Our line looks like this:
1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 2 2 2 2
Since we only have 3 uncrossed off 1’s we go back to betting 1’s until we win again or lose another 9 at which time we go on to 2’s.  And remember the two underlined 2's (I used underlining since I don't know how to cricle a number in this system) don't count as uncrossed off numbers.  When I say uncrossed off I also mean circled/underlined also.
We continue in this manner until we have either circled or crossed off all numbers in the line.  To determine how much you are up, you just multiply the numbers you have circled by 11 and subtract the non-circled numbers whether they’re crossed off or not and you’ll have the number of units you’re up.
Any time you cross off all the numbers, you will be in the positive and you can either quit or start another line.

Also, you can continue the Penthouse lines from one set of spins to another.  Just because you start with a fresh set of 12 streets doesn't mean you have to zero out all the progressions.  Keep them where they are and continue into the next attack.

Okay, that’s how to do the Penthouse bet method.  Since we have to bet a different number of streets each bet opportunity, we will have to keep a Penthouse line on each Street.  That means we will be playing each street separately even though we will be betting them along with other streets.  If we are betting the 2, 5 &10 streets, we must look at the 2 Street Penthouse line to see what the next bet should be on the 2 Street.  Same thing for the 5 and 10 streets.  Most of the time we will be betting either 1 or 2 on any given street.  So it won’t be as complicated as it appears at first.  You will occasionally be betting different amounts on every Street you bet.  With practice, this will be doable, although it will take some practice.

If you want, you can reset all 12 Penthouse progressions whenever you reach a new win target overall.  It’s not necessary to complete every Street progression before resetting.

If this system of FL’s really works, this Penthouse progression method will work to increase your wins over a flat bet.

If you want you can make it more aggressive by moving up the progression after losing only 10 or 8 times instead of 12.  Or make it safer by waiting until you have 15 or 18 uncrossed off numbers before moving to the next level.  This bet method is very flexible.  Play it to suit yourself.

I know it seems complicated and maybe it will prove to be too cumbersome to be realistic to play in B&M casinos, but playing on-line on a live wheel with your computer running Ophis’ tracker, you should be able to get your bets on the table in plenty of time.

I know this may appear complicated the the newbies, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment.

Use it if you like it.  Chuck it if you don't.

Cheers,
GLC

[malcop]

Hi GLC,


Thanks for "The Penthouse Method" progression, that should work out very well with a Single Dozen/Column method I'm working on at the moment, I only play it flat-betting but I think your progression will work a treat.

I was looking for a shallow progression that could complement it.

Thanks


malcop

[Master_of_pockets]

I finally  downloaded the bot and its a very nice bot.well done ophis.
The system is good so far with nice winning streaks.
148 spins =+48
in a stage i was +72
the worst down was -40

What bothers me is that we never bet the 12th ... lol

[Colbster]

This is one of the more original feeling methods I have played in a while, and I am grateful for the tracker that is making testing it so much easier.  I think that if we had a better understanding of the underlying theory/methodology that is determining what we are to play, we might be able to give some feedback to strengthen the system as a whole.

I have had some good sessions with this, and this first run with the bot has been enough negative to wipe out all the positive I had gotten with this to date.  Can you share how you came up with the streets that you cancel out?  Also, I am still tied up on the WHY we don't cancel out the 12th line.  It is just as statistically feasible as any of the other streets.

I really want this to work, but I think it might be only successful with some constructive criticism from others on the forum. 

[GLC]

Hi GLC,


Thanks for "The Penthouse Method" progression, that should work out very well with a Single Dozen/Column method I'm working on at the moment, I only play it flat-betting but I think your progression will work a treat.

I was looking for a shallow progression that could complement it.

Thanks


malcop

Remember, Malcop, you can decrease the aggressiveness of the system on dozens and columns to having to lose 5 times before moving up the ladder instead of losing 3 times.  Also, because of the ebb and flow of wins vs losses your line can get pretty long with 1's, 2's,4's etc... uncrossed off scattered all along the line.  The thing that gives you wins is when you just started betting say 4 units and have a win and you cross off two 3's.  You win 8 units but only cross off 6 for a 2 unit net.  Some times you win on the third 2 or whatever and have to cross off two 2's for a net gain of zero.  But that's to be expected for added safety.

I hope it does help with your other system.  If it works well, share your system with us.

GLC

FL.  I don't mean to muddy your topic with extra stuff.  Please delete this post.  I'm sure Malcop won't mind.  Hopefully he's read it already.  I'll also PM him.

[Master_of_pockets]

I am really grateful for the system and the bot! I really do and it seems that both are working very good.

But I have the same questions/thinking as Colbster

""""Can you share how you came up with the streets that you cancel out?  Also, I am still tied up on the WHY we don't cancel out the 12th line.  It is just as statistically feasible as any of the other streets.

I really want this to work, but I think it might be only successful with some constructive criticism from others on the forum.  """"

[Master_of_pockets]

Hi GLC.
I calculated and in some stages with the pethouse progression we do not need to cross of ALL the line(bets) in order to be in a new positive.....in some cases even if some of the bets are still uncrossed , we can be in a new positive....

Is this right?

[GLC]

Hi GLC.
I calculated and in some stages with the pethouse progression we do not need to cross of ALL the line(bets) in order to be in a new positive.....in some cases even if some of the bets are still uncrossed , we can be in a new positive....

Is this right?

That's correct, MOP.  Reply #188 explains briefly why.  And as I also stated, we can play with more or less losses before moving up.  Another way to play the progression is like this:
111111111111222222222222333333333333444444444444555555555555666666666666etc...
Move 1 step to the right on a loss and move 11 steps to the left on a win.
You could also play with this line for more units won per spin but also with greater risk of reaching larger bets:
111111112222222233333333444444445555555566666666etc...
Or:
111111111111111222222222222222333333333333333444444444444444etc...
With these bet lines, just play until you get back to the leftmost 1 and you will be ahead by some units.  How far to the right you go and then come back determines how many units you will be ahead.
The last one is mildly more aggressive than a flat bet, but in a really bad losing streak, you can still find yourself pretty deep in the hole.  Such is the nature of all progressions.

I did say that if this is a winning system, a mild progression like this can help improve the units won per spin ratio.

I would increase the bank rolls from 50 and 100 units to 100 and 200 units if you're going to use this progression.

With number of locations  to bet on any given spin varrying from 1 to as many as 8-10, standard progressions don't really apply unless you break them down to 1 for each Street.