SCOOBY"S "KNOCKOUT" SYSTEM

[VLS]

[...]the largest placed bet drops from 157 per dozen to 42 which is a HUGE improvement.  The profit was lower of course, dropping from 200 ish to 126. 

MM

wowers Matty, I can take 42 vs 157 anytime, regardless of the lower yield.


Lower profits should not be a barrier, important thing is to end up in the plus, consistently.


Congrats and Keep up the good work 
Vic

[mattymattz]

yup, agreed Vic, but after running the next 2k spins the drawdowns are really steep still.  As Sam said, the divisor can help, but not the cure... or something like that.

MM

[TwoCatSam]

1/2 X
2/3   X
1/3 XX


As you can see, 1/3 has two Xs....This is the trigger to start playing on 1/3

FROM SCOOBY'S FIRST POST..

I feel I am playing it correctly.

This is very akin to the VLS Lw Methodology, as I've said, and it has refreshed some good memories.

Possibly more later in a new thread..........

Sam

[ScoobyDoo]

@GLC & TWOCATSAM...


Sam got it right. that is exactly the way I play it. Betting after 3 losses is Sam's idea.


Sam you said you had the greatest progression ever created.....I hope you make a concerted effort find it because we need something that will be more beneficial for this method of play.


It's difficult when you like betting double dozens but have a crappy progression.


Regards,
ScoobyDoo

[ScoobyDoo]

BTW Sam, where did you get VLS's Dozens Tracker. I have looked everywhere for it.

[malcop]

Here it is.

[GLC]

Scooby,

I challenge you to come up with a better bet method than the divisor that Sam outlined.  But, being willing to accept my own challenge, here's an idea.

This is based on the idea in my money management system called Win 2 or Lose 3.  That's somewhat of a misnomer.  It should be get ahead 2 or behind 3 because you are playing until you have 2 more wins than losses or 3 more losses than wins.

This is based on double dozen bets and we're going to play until we either get ahead by 5 wins or get behind by 3 losses.  We will also reset completely whenever we reach a new high bank.
So If we start with 1-1 and  LWWW that will put us up by +1 and we can start over.

With this double dozen method we will play continuously until we reach our reset factor which is either Lose 3 more bets than we win or Win 5 more bets than we lose or reach a new high bank balance.

I will give 2 progressions.  This 1st progression is based on recovering all previous losses if you get ahead 5 wins at any level.  At which time you reset to 1-1.

1-1
2-2
4-4
9-9
20-20
44-44
96-96

Our 2nd progression is based on only recovering the units lost from the previous level.  So with this progression you only move 1 level after a loss or a win.

1-1
2-2
3-3
4-4
5-5
7-7
9-9
11-11
14-14
17-17
21-21
26-26
32-32

That's it.  Remember, any time we reach a new high bank we reset to 1-1.  Often we will not get ahead 5 wins on the 1st or 2nd level because we will reach a new high bank and have to reset.

GLC

[TwoCatSam]

GLC

When time permits I'm going to answer your PMs correctly.  I'm in Oklahoma, so I know hot!!

Scooby

The progression was basically this.  I think I may have bloviated a little on the "World's Greatest" statement.   

While running the SR robot, I noticed the almost perfectly even rise and fall in the graphs.  Up 100 and then down 100, over and over again.  My idea was to find the low point and double the bet.  You would then wait until the bot recovered and instead of having gotten even, you would have won 100u.  Naturally it could go the other way.  If you have faith it will come back to zero or near zero, you double your bet again and wait for the graph to approach zero.  (Can't remember what I called it and it may have been on the Super Roulette forum.)

I had many, many graphs where this happened. 

With respect to your system, I once said you could look at the patterns and tell which way the wind was blowing.  I saw that with VLS and now with your idea.  I will work on that.

Sam

[GLC]

I need to correct my above progression post.  It doesn't work right with double dozens to either Lose 3 more than you win or win 5 more than you lose because you can switch back and forth WLWLWL and you just keep going deeper into the hole.

Here's what we do, we play each level until we reach 5 times each win ahead or lose 3 times each loss behind.  Here's the chart for fully recovering all previous losses:

If lose by 3 times       Bet amt       If win by 5 times

-6                                  1-1                     +5
-18                                2-2                     +4
-42                                4-4                     +2
-96                                9-9                     +3
-216                              20-20                 +4
-480                              44-44                 +4
-1056                            96-96                   0


So if you're betting 4-4 and you reach -42 you must move up to the next level of 9-9.
If you're betting 4-4 and you reach a new high, you must drop back to 1-1.


Here's the D'Alembert type progression:


If lose by 3 times bet         Bet Amt        If win by 5 times bet

-6                                           1-1                       +5
-12                                         2-2                       +4
-18                                         3-3                        +3
-24                                         4-4                        +2
-30                                         5-5                        +1
-42                                         7-7                        +5
-54                                         9-9                        +3
-66                                         11-11                    +1
-84                                         14-14                    +4
-102                                       17-17                    +1
-126                                       21-21                    +3
-156                                       26-26                    +4
-192                                       32-32                    +4


Sorry about that.


GLC

[ScoobyDoo]

Hey guys,


There is one part that I am not sure if I explained or if you figured out what to do with the Zero(s). Anytime you get a Zero, stop playing and treat it as if you were just starting a new game. Wait until you have won two in a row or more if necessary before starting to play again. But where ever you are in your progression, just continue from there.


Thanks GLC for your progressions and also Samster. I'll give them a try.

[GLC]

Here's a copy of a PM I sent to one of the forum members so rather than retype it, I'll just copy it to here.  I think it's the best way so far.


I thought I had it, but I'm still working on the best point to increase bet sizes and also the count.

For double dozens I'm close but can't quite dial it in to my satisfaction.  Maybe you can help.  Here's where I am.

I'm assuming you know how to play Full Trioplay.  If not it will be easier for you to download it from our download section.  The author explains it pretty well.

Our bet increases are based on the count.

When playing double dozens we start out betting 1-1 and we increase by 1 unit on each dozen after every 2 wins until the count reaches 11. 

When the count is from 11-20 we increase our bet size by 1 unit after every win. 

Once the count reaches 21 we increase our bet size by 2 units after every win.

We start our count at 0 and increase it by 1 after each loss until we reach a new high bank or we win a bet that brings our bet amount to a larger number than our count.  So, if we are betting 11-11 and our count is 11 and we win, our next bet would be 12-12 which is greater than our count of 11 so we reset.  We will not always be at a new high bank when we reset.


We play until we reach a new high bank.  We never bet to win more than +1.  (This is optional.  You could use your win target of +5 or whatever and play until you reach that amount.  I think shooting for +1  five times is safer, but it might also take longer.  Testing is required.)     
 
Once our bet size is greater than our count, we have a partial reset.  If we are still minus at this point, we divide the amount we are down by 4 and reset to that amount on each of the dozens.  The count is reset to 1.5 times our new bet amount.
  Let's say we just won a bet at 30-30 and our count is 30 and we are still 28 units in the hole.   We divide 28 by 4 = 7.  Our new bet amount is 7-7 and our count becomes 10 or 11 (7X1.5=10.5) round up or down, you decide.

   So we would be betting 7-7  count 10   total -28 and we continue play.  We never stop until we reach +1.  We continue to reset by dividing by 4 anytime our bet amount on a single dozen is = to or greater than our count.
                                       
Bet amount  W/L    Count      Total

30-30            W       30           -28
7-7                W       15           -21
9-9                L         18          -39
9-9                W                     -30
11-11            W                     -19
13-13            W                     -6
7-7                W                     +1

Reset

      There is a possibility of a streak from hell, so we have to have a stop-loss.  I recommend 150 - 200 units.  You decide.
  I make my chart look like the following:

  Bet amt       W/L       Count          Running total

1-1               L             2                    -2
1-1               L             3                    -4
1-1               W                                 -3
1-1               L             4                   -5
1-1               W                                 -4
2-2               L             5                   -8
2-2               L             6                  -12
2-2               L             7                  -16
2-2               W                                -14
2-2               L             8                  -18
2-2               W                                -16
3-3               W                                -13
3-3               L             9                   -19
3-3               L             10                 -25
3-3               L             11                 -31
3-3               W                                -28
4-4               L             12                 -36
4-4               W                                -32
5-5               W                                -27
6-6               W                                -21
7-7               W                                -13
8-8               L             13                 -29
8-8               W                                -21
9-9               W                                -12
10-10           W                                -2
3-3               W                                +1
  Reset to 1-1
  That's the general idea.  I started this one with 10 Wins and 10 Losses which is a very bad ratio for double dozens although not that rare.
   With Hybrid DC4 the hit ratio seems to be good enough that we shouldn't get into trouble too often.
  Shoot for 4 or 5 units for Hit N Run or I prefer 20.

This may seem to be a little complicated, but it weathers bad streaks pretty well and it has a safety brake where we do a partial reset.  This helps keep bets from escalating out of control.

No bet progression can guarantee to never go bust, but this one has a couple of controls that make it less likely to go bust than other methods.

For those of you who take the effort to learn this bet method, I think it will be worth your while since it can be used on any bet selection.

GLC 

[Tomla021]

any one still using this? my initial tests did ok

[GLC]

any one still using this? my initial tests did ok

Things seem to be a little scattered on the forum lately Mr. LA.  I don't know what's happening.

[amk]

GLC, I think its one of those random fluctuations in roulette's evolvement. A lot of good approaches are converging and the chances are that there are really good ones in the present state.

Hope TwisterUk might return here. When he was around the forum was always peaceful.

[Turner]

Things seem to be a little scattered on the forum lately Mr. LA.  I don't know what's happening.

I think as long as a few "standard candles" like your self, George, can "...... keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you"

The "spike" will subside.

Actually, I'm a massive Kipling fan....and "If" is allways worth a read. There is a gambling reference in there so im still in topic....just.

link:://:.davidpbrown.co.uk/poetry/rudyard-kipling.html