Hybrid DC4 + PCWB

[marvin]

night 20: +104 after 56spins went as low as -102u
i was using the progression 1-1-2-4-4-4-4-5 went up to 5 step  so it is expected that it took us 40+ spins before reaching our target.

[marvin]

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session Profit W/L
1 100 w
2 100 w
3 100 w
4 100 w
5 100 w
6 80 w
7 -160 l
8 -134 l
9 100 w
10 -134 l
11 104 w
12 116 w
13 108 w
14 104 w
15 130 w
16 110 w
17 -180 l
18 118 w
19 101 w
20 106 w
21 -148 l
22 100 w
23 100 w
24 -164 l
25 104 w
Total 1061              19/6


average losing streak : 2-3
longest losing streak : 8 but only happens once the rest

we now have a good bet selection i think.
what we need now is a good bankroll & money management that will survive an 8 losing streak or a 9-10 steps progression

progressions used:

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step unit win cost total profit
1 1 18 8 8 10
2 2 36 16 24 12
3 4 72 32 56 16
4 7 126 56 112 14
5 2 36 16 128 -92
6 4 72 32 160 -88
7 5 90 40 200 -110

1 1 18 8 8 10
2 1 18 8 16 2
3 2 36 16 32 4
4 4 72 32 64 8
5 4 72 32 96 -24
6 4 72 32 128 -56
7 4 72 32 160 -88
8 5 90 40 200 -110

1 1 18 8 8 10
2 2 36 16 24 12
3 4 72 32 56 16
4 7 126 56 112 14
5 12 216 96 208 8



[amk]

Hello Marvin,


Can't believe I haven't posted on your thread yet. I was paying attention to it for a while though.


I like the progression and a 12W 3L record is not bad when an average session is +100U


If I am correct this is not the way you actually want to play the method but you are just testing it in this fashion for info.

[marvin]

hi amk

errr how did you get with the 12W 3L? at the end of 25 session its 19W 6L.

as for the actual play the bet selection still the same its just the progression that i am juggling up with those 3 progressions that i mentioned.  it is to accomodate the 200u bankroll.

but what if my target is only 50u per session? the record would have been 22W 3L.
and what if we have a bankroll of 1k or 2k as what glc suggested and a target of 50u ... i guess we can get a 25W 0L

[GLC]

hi amk

errr how did you get with the 12W 3L? at the end of 25 session its 19W 6L.

as for the actual play the bet selection still the same its just the progression that i am juggling up with those 3 progressions that i mentioned.  it is to accomodate the 200u bankroll.

but what if my target is only 50u per session? the record would have been 22W 3L.
and what if we have a bankroll of 1k or 2k as what glc suggested and a target of 50u ... I guess we can get a 25W 0L

Dear Marvin,

Looks like a pretty solid method.  I wouldn't expect anything less since it's a combination of 2 of the best methods on the forum, in my humble opinion.

If you use a 1000 unit bank and shoot for +50 win target, you will need  20 Wins to 1 loss to break even.  Double that with a 2000 unit bank.

For most of the members and guests, a +10 win target and a 200 unit bank is more viable.  That's still a 20 to 1 win to loss ratio for break even, but a lot less investment.

Can it be played to +5 on a 100 unit bank without losing our wins to losses ratio?

Sometimes a system needs some elbow room to wiggle up to a win.  The minimum bet size usually determines this.

Thanks for all your work. 

[Robeenhuut]

Dear Marvin,

Looks like a pretty solid method.  I wouldn't expect anything less since it's a combination of 2 of the best methods on the forum, in my humble opinion.

If you use a 1000 unit bank and shoot for +50 win target, you will need  20 Wins to 1 loss to break even.  Double that with a 2000 unit bank.

For most of the members and guests, a +10 win target and a 200 unit bank is more viable.  That's still a 20 to 1 win to loss ratio for break even, but a lot less investment.

Can it be played to +5 on a 100 unit bank without losing our wins to losses ratio?

Sometimes a system needs some elbow room to wiggle up to a win.  The minimum bet size usually determines this.

Thanks for all your work.

This system in my humble opinion needs a lot of an elbow room to generate a profit George and you know it. Unfortunately there are no half ass solutions here. If you play with 2000u BR and aim for 100u win  then you have a chance.  Playing with 200u BR and aiming for 10u win is not going to get you anywhere.  Just analyze some sessions.  To go down 200u with 8u or 10u base bet takes only few sessions. You just hope for enough BR to sustain you during a bad run to get  few consecutive wins. Otherwise you could basically get stuck in a no mans land for some time. And it would feel like waterboarding 

[GLC]

This system in my humble opinion needs a lot of an elbow room to generate a profit George and you know it. Unfortunately there are no half ar*e solutions here. If you play with 2000u BR and aim for 100u win  then you have a chance.  Playing with 200u BR and aiming for 10u win is not going to get you anywhere.  Just analyze some sessions.  To go down 200u with 8u or 10u base bet takes only few sessions. You just hope for enough BR to sustain you during a bad run to get  few consecutive wins. Otherwise you could basically get stuck in a no mans land for some time. And it would feel like waterboarding 

I'm privy to that water boarding stuff, that's why I mentioned that the smaller bank may not allow enough wiggle room for the bets to move up and down and finally level off with a win.


I appreciate your astute analysis of the system's bank requirements.


As a side note.  Wow!  Perfect English.  What a pleasure to read.

[GLC]

This system in my humble opinion needs a lot of an elbow room to generate a profit George and you know it.

RBH, (Excuse the abbreviation, please)  I just want to say that I appreciate your sense of humor with the water boarding comment.


One of the things about your posts that has a tendency to cause people to bristle is comments like the above highlighted words.  It implies that I was trying to mislead Marvin which wasn't my intention at all.  I just hadn't taken the time to think about my comment enough.  That's why I complimented you for sharing your analysis with us, because as I read it, I knew that it was exactly correct.

[Robeenhuut]

RBH, (Excuse the abbreviation, please)  I just want to say that I appreciate your sense of humor with the water boarding comment.


One of the things about your posts that has a tendency to cause people to bristle is comments like the above highlighted words.  It implies that I was trying to mislead Marvin which wasn't my intention at all.  I just hadn't taken the time to think about my comment enough.  That's why I complimented you for sharing your analysis with us, because as I read it, I knew that it was exactly correct.

George

I admit that i havent tested it enough to come up with with some wiseass remarks. But generally in my opinion not enough BR is the most important sin among roulette players.  I know that 90% here will disagree with me. 

Regards

[marvin]

George

I admit that i haven't tested it enough to come up with with some wiseass remarks. But generally in my opinion not enough BR is the most important sin among roulette players.  I know that 90% here will disagree with me. 

Regards

Hi Robeenhuut,

hows philippines weather this time of the year?

I think its the other way around, most of us will agree with the not enough bankroll is a sin but still most of us are practicing it. you will notice that with most of the system here and most of the people that usually asked for "how much is the BR?"
but what can you do? theres a saying in filipino that says "masarap ang bawal" which means you'll like it more when its forbidden.  that's why i am still finding someways to work around with it.

[Robeenhuut]

Hi Robeenhuut,

hows philippines weather this time of the year?

I think its the other way around, most of us will agree with the not enough bankroll is a sin but still most of us are practicing it. you will notice that with most of the system here and most of the people that usually asked for "how much is the BR?"
but what can you do? theres a saying in filipino that says "masarap ang bawal" which means you'll like it more when its forbidden.  that's why i am still finding someways to work around with it.

Hola Marvin

Its rain almost daily as expected at this time of the year in Luzon. Not very fluent in tagalog.  I try to get by with my  ingles.    I sincerely like your effort here but i think the more testing you will do the more you will understand the need for a bigger bankroll.  Have you tested other method of Flat - rolling lines?  Its basically very similar concept and the BR requirements are smaller?

Regards and good luck

[marvin]

this is just a thought,
1. we usually start a session with tracking numbers or waiting for triggers.  (true for PCWB & Hybrid DC4)
2. we usually virtual bet after a loss  - (true for PCWB)
3. some continue betting after a loss base on previous result - (true for Hybrid DC4)
4. we stop the session once were busted or we reached the target winnings.
5. most of us will agree that a 10-20% from your BR is enough to end the session. (my current target is 50% per session)

how about we do the following.M
1. retrack after a we reached 10% of our 200u or 20u
2. retrack after 3 consecutive loss
3. call it a day when we are busted or reached 50% of our 200u or 100u


if we are going to base the previous test then is 25W 0L
will this work?... only further test can tell 

[marvin]

Hola Marvin

Its rain almost daily as expected at this time of the year in Luzon. Not very fluent in tagalog.  I try to get by with my  ingles.    I sincerely like your effort here but i think the more testing you will do the more you will understand the need for a bigger bankroll.  Have you tested other method of Flat - rolling lines?  Its basically very similar concept and the BR requirements are smaller?

Regards and good luck

i really don't like staying there june-november as its always raining.
but i miss philippines during december - may because of the festive atmosphere.

as for the BR: by 7th-8th session i already realize the need for bigger BR for this tweak. but still, i am banking on the thought that the average losing streak is only 2-4 and that the max losing streak is 8.

i still have to check the rolling lines.

[Robeenhuut]

i really don't like staying there june-november as its always raining.
but i miss philippines during december - may because of the festive atmosphere.

as for the BR: by 7th-8th session i already realize the need for bigger BR for this tweak. but still, i am banking on the thought that the average losing streak is only 2-4 and that the max losing streak is 8.

i still have to check the rolling lines.

Yeah you have a long way in front of you to find out whats a best balance in terms of BR and win goal. Around 30 games you played its just a drop in a bucket. Wish that every promising system here already was coded and it would take us just a little time to test it 

[marvin]

speaking of coding, i went to marina bay sands casino(good thing i didn't brought my atm) this afternoon and recorded 3 sets of 50+ spins on 3 tables (alfastreet air ball). so instead of doing it manually and post the result here i will try to code it using php, I'm a programmer my self but didn't think of coding this until now because it takes away the excitement of playing the game, and i am not in a hurry to get rich hehehe.