EC Money / JL Challenge

[Still]

Here is a spreadsheet i'm using to track all this.  It doesn't use any macros.  Just cut and past from results page into spreadsheet using paste special (text) method.  Then carry down the formulas on the right and adjust data by right clicking chart and click Select Data.  Numbers on the bottom do not reflect the actual number of bets.  I would need to use macros to do that. 

[Johnlegend]

+1600

If I build my bankroll up to 1600 units then I reckon your goose is cooked, at least for a long long time, probably too long for this manual format.



-1000

If I demolish my bankroll down to -1000 units then I reckon my goose is cooked, at least for a long long time, probably too long for this manual format.


Deal?

Skakus theres no way in the world you should ever go minus 1000. You are in a position now where you shouldnt even surrender your starting BR of 300 units. If I make it to 350--400 its all over for Bayes RNG. I will never relinguish that gain. Im creeping up there at 5--10 units a day. Bayes must pray to the gods of probability and call on the ghost of Einstein. Because I have never gone backwards ever overall once I am around 400. Its the cushion that puts my methods beyond recall. And this thing you have going with the even chances is excellent. So No doubt you will get there first. But both you and I will prove roulette is beatable longterm in the future.

[TwoCatSam]

**** Bayes must pray to the gods of probability and call on the ghost of Einstein.****

Why?

Sam

[Skakus]

Cool!

EC Money has made it to the first safe end zone with a bankroll of +743 units.

Next safe end zone is +1175

Next master end zone is +891 or +311

Next slave end zone is +755 or +707

New series begins with 1 unit bets.     

[Tomla021]

Good Job Skakus! You may become the e/c guru dujour.....looks good whatever your up to
kudus

[TwoCatSam]

Skakus

Good work, man!  Keep us in the loop.

Sam

[Johnlegend]

**** Bayes must pray to the gods of probability and call on the ghost of Einstein.****

Why?

Sam

Just being humourous Sam.  Congrats Skakus.. I have a question. What constitutes a lost session for EC money?

[Skakus]

>>> Skakus.. I have a question. What constitutes a lost session for EC money?

It’s hard to explain because for EC Money the 'session' is ruled by the win target/stop-loss.


So the betting for any ‘session’ can and often does involve split permanence, meaning the session could be on several different wheels, or involve many stop start points on the same wheel, or both.


All that is a bit of a grey area, but the win target/stop-loss for any ‘session’ is rigid.


Stage 1 is +12 or -36
Stage 2 is +24 or -72
Stage 3 is +36 or -108
Stage 4 is +48 or -144
Stage 5 is +60 or â€" 180


These are only my chosen amounts and by no means gospel.


If I win a minimum of 12 units playing stage 1, the session is over. Same if I lose 36 units.


I will note whether the session was won or lost with a w or L.


I will then move to stage 2 for the next session, etc.


The wL registry for the session results follow the same progression format as the individual bets do in any session.


So it moves up and down the Stage Table depending on the previous completed sessions results.


Session result example:

WWWLWLLLW = 123434322 next session stage 3, etc.
LLLWLWWWL =  123434322 next session stage 3, etc.

But this all ends and restarts at Stage 1 when you reach a master end zone win goal/stop-loss, which is +144 units or -432 units.


Here is a Stage 2 lost session that I uploaded today. Start bank 755, stage 2 stop-loss -72 units. Should stop at 683 units. I made a few mistakes (again) and it cost me 18 more units than It should have, but I'll get 'em back!


ODD      6   W   755
07/11/2012
BLACK    2   L   753
BLACK    4   L   749
LOW      6   W   755
LOW      4   W   759
LOW      4   W   763
RED      6   W   769
RED      8   L   761
RED      6   L   755
EVEN     6   L   749
HIGH     8   L   741
HIGH    10   W   751
HIGH     8   L   743
ODD     10   L   733
ODD     12   L   721
LOW     12   W   733
LOW     12   W   745
LOW      8   W   753
LOW      6   L   747
RED      8   L   739
LOW     10   L   729
LOW     10   L   719
LOW     10   L   709
RED     10   L   699
EVEN    10   L   689
EVEN    10   W   699
EVEN     2   L   697
LOW      2   L   695
RED      2   W   697
RED      4   W   701
RED      6   L   695
RED      4   L   691
LOW      4   L   687
RED      6   L   681
RED      8   W   689
RED      6   L   683
HIGH     8   L   675
BLACK   10   L   665

[Skakus]

Strike rate 53%

Bank balance 776

I hope you're watching this cheese, give me 72% and I'll get us both banned for life! 

[Johnlegend]

It’s hard to explain because for EC Money the 'session' is ruled by the win target/stop-loss.


So the betting for any ‘session’ can and often does involve split permanence, meaning the session could be on several different wheels, or involve many stop start points on the same wheel, or both.


All that is a bit of a grey area, but the win target/stop-loss for any ‘session’ is rigid.


Stage 1 is +12 or -36
Stage 2 is +24 or -72
Stage 3 is +36 or -108
Stage 4 is +48 or -144
Stage 5 is +60 or â€" 180


These are only my chosen amounts and by no means gospel.


If I win a minimum of 12 units playing stage 1, the session is over. Same if I lose 36 units.


I will note whether the session was won or lost with a w or L.


I will then move to stage 2 for the next session, etc.


The wL registry for the session results follow the same progression format as the individual bets do in any session.


So it moves up and down the Stage Table depending on the previous completed sessions results.


Session result example:

WWWLWLLLW = 123434322 next session stage 3, etc.
LLLWLWWWL =  123434322 next session stage 3, etc.

But this all ends and restarts at Stage 1 when you reach a master end zone win goal/stop-loss, which is +144 units or -432 units.


Here is a Stage 2 lost session that I uploaded today. Start bank 755, stage 2 stop-loss -72 units. Should stop at 683 units. I made a few mistakes (again) and it cost me 18 more units than It should have, but I'll get 'em back!


ODD      6   W   755
07/11/2012
BLACK    2   L   753
BLACK    4   L   749
LOW      6   W   755
LOW      4   W   759
LOW      4   W   763
RED      6   W   769
RED      8   L   761
RED      6   L   755
EVEN     6   L   749
HIGH     8   L   741
HIGH    10   W   751
HIGH     8   L   743
ODD     10   L   733
ODD     12   L   721
LOW     12   W   733
LOW     12   W   745
LOW      8   W   753
LOW      6   L   747
RED      8   L   739
LOW     10   L   729
LOW     10   L   719
LOW     10   L   709
RED     10   L   699
EVEN    10   L   689
EVEN    10   W   699
EVEN     2   L   697
LOW      2   L   695
RED      2   W   697
RED      4   W   701
RED      6   L   695
RED      4   L   691
LOW      4   L   687
RED      6   L   681
RED      8   W   689
RED      6   L   683
HIGH     8   L   675
BLACK   10   L   665

Okay you must play this for real money if its doing so well fot you. 72% strikerate consistently I'm doubtful. Evem 62% would be out of this world. Whoever this cheese is, he must be very wealthy. I aim for around break even. Hit and run will then often give me better numbers, and staking does the rest.

[Bayes]

Strike rate 53%

Bank balance 776

I hope you're watching this cheese, give me 72% and I'll get us both banned for life! 

Current z-score is 1.57 (probability is about 1 in 17). Seeing as you're doing so well, would you consider aiming for a higher target? It'll be interesting to see what the z-score is after a few thousand bets (485 so far). JL reckons he can get to 5000 units. If (and it's a big if) you continue to do as well as you've been doing, that should only take a couple of weeks. 

No need to play every day, take your time.

[Johnlegend]

Current z-score is 1.57 (probability is about 1 in 17). Seeing as you're doing so well, would you consider aiming for a higher target? It'll be interesting to see what the z-score is after a few thousand bets (485 so far). JL reckons he can get to 5000 units. If (and it's a big if) you continue to do as well as you've been doing, that should only take a couple of weeks. 

No need to play every day, take your time.

Yes I agree Bayes 1,600 is a nice sum but it wont really prove if Skakus or myself would beat this game longterm. I think -500----5000 minumum should be our targets. I know im moving at snail pace at the moment. Once I reach my zone of 350---400 units. I will start to take off. Aiming for 30----50 units a session. Then 50----80 when I reach 750----800 units. To be fair to you and all the work you have put in with this marvellous software. I think thats a fair trade -500 means we have failed. And a minumum of 5,000 units plus means. I would even say 10,000 should signal. We have succeeded. What do you think Bayes. -500---+10,000?

[iggiv]

Skakus, u still don't believe in hit-run? u r doing great with it...But was it not worth to cut the last bad session short to make it hit-n-run?

I want to express my respect for  what u achieved, but u mostly did it with hit-n-run, didn't u?

[Skakus]

iggiv,

I just lost another session that looks like I could have cut it short with a profit.

But it only looks like that. Just because you see a long betting session in one upload doesn't mean it was only one betting session. The one I just lost had 4 short sessions of betting with up to 100 spins in between them.

I'm just experimenting with different ways to play, that's all.


Bayes,

>>> Current z-score is 1.57 (probability is about 1 in 17). <<<

Does that mean my results thus far is almost the same as if I had just put one big bet on 1 split and won? If so, then I'm in trouble despite the good start.

If its the other way around and its almost the same as if I had put one big bet on 35 numbers, then I might be able to claw my way to victory, but it will be tough, very tough.

I'm going to take a break from it for a day or so, the last few lost sessions have knocked the wind out of my sails.

[iggiv]

u r still doin good...

but looks like nothing can beat a good bet selection, even smart progression use like u r doin. I don't wanna sound negative. Just my thoughts. I hope and wish u get high up back again! U r still very much up, 2 bankrolls in your pocket, nothing to complain about...