EC System

atlantis · Sep 04, 12:43 PM 2010

Hi GLC,

I really think YOUR way of betting both sides is better than my own attempt. But surely there has to be a STOP point on the streak side... I notice in your spin results that once the streak qualified for betting (2 in a row of same colour) then you ALWAYS made a bet on the streak side for the rest of the session...

Maybe here is an idea. If streak WINS then always continue betting streak. After 2 consecutive losers on streak betting - wait for 2 consecutive colors before restarting bet on streak...

18
30 here place a bet of 1u on RED to streak
6 LOST. place a bet of 3u on BLACK to streak (following STREAK remember!)
5 LOST. 2 losers in a row playing for streaks

Now wait for 2 of same color in a row before playing next streak bet!

18
30
6
5
8
22 here place bet for 5u on BLACK to streak
35 WON. place a bet of 2u on BLACK to streak
14 LOST. place a bet of 4u on RED to streak
14 WON. place a bet of 1u on RED to streak
7 WON. place a bet of 1u on RED to streak
23 WON. place a bet of 1u on RED to streak
13. LOST. place a bet of 3u on BLACK to streak
36. LOST. 2 losers in a row playing for streaks

Now wait for 2 of same color in a row before playing next streak bet!

Example.

#spun chop seq +/-
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18
30 1b (L) nb -1
6 3b (W) 1r (L) +1 *reset
5 1r (W) 1b (L) +1 *no bet
8 1b (W) nb +2 *reset
22 1r (L) nb +1
35 3r (L) 1b(W) -2
14 nb 1r (W) -1
14 5b (L) 1r (W) -5
7 7b (L) 1r (W) -11
23 nb 1r (W) -10
13 9b (W) 1r (L) -2
36 6r (W) 3b (L) +1

======================================

May need to adjust the +2/-3 progression?

What you think GLC?

A.

atlantis · Sep 04, 01:34 PM 2010

Here is same example with (safer) "2u-2d progression" for both sides (reset 2u-2d after level or ahead of highest profit figure):

#spun chop seq +/-
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18 0
30 1b (L) nb -1
6 1b (W) 1r (L) -1 no bet
5 1r (W) 1b (L) -1 *no bet
8 1b (W) nb 0 *reset
22 1r (L) nb -1
35 1r (L) 1b(W) -1 *no bet
14 nb 1r (W) 0 *reset
14 1b (L) 1r (W) 0 *no bet
7 1b (L) 1r (W) 0 *no bet
23 nb 1r (W) +1 *reset
13 1b (W) 1r (L) +1 *no bet
36 1r (W) 1b (L) +1 *no bet

Compare with +2/-3 above...

Same result +1 - but highest bet only 1 unit!
More no-bets means more protection from zeroes.

A.

atlantis · Sep 04, 02:35 PM 2010

Now taking that really bad session that resulted in -78 in original way and now using 2u-2d and new streak rule and using differential, resets, and no-bets:

#spun chop seq +/-
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26 0
14 1r W nb +1 *reset
22 1b W nb +2 *reset
34 1r W nb +3 *reset
0 1b 0 nb +2.5
12 1b L nb +1.5
12 1b L 1r W +1.5 *no bet
7 nb 1r W +2.5
31 nb 1r L +1.5
24 2r L 1b W +0.5
24 2r L 1b W -0.5
20 nb 1b W +0.5
18 nb 1b L -0.5
36 3b L 1r W -2.5
19 3b L 1r W -4.5
6 nb 1r L -5.5
35 nb 1b W -4.5
35 nb 1b W -3.5
2 nb 1b W -2.5
30 nb 1b L -3.5
28 4b W 1r L +0.5
27 4r W nb +4.5 *reset
19 1b L nb +3.5
36 1b L 1r W +3.5 *no bet
16 nb 1r W +4.5 *reset
34 nb 1r W +5.5 *reset
33 nb 1r L +4.5
35 1r L 1b W +4.5 *no bet
34 1r W 1b L +4.5 *no bet
21 1b L 1r W +4.5 *no bet
36 1b L 1r W +4.5 *no bet
22 nb 1r L +3.5
22 2r L 1b W +2.5
24 2r L 1b W +1.5
1 nb 1b L +0.5
17 3b W 1r L +2.5
27 3r W nb +5.5 *reset
36 1b L nb +4.5
27 1b L 1r W +4.5 *no bet
28 nb 1r L +3.5
11 nb 1b W +4.5
32 nb 1b L +3.5
14 2b L 1r W +2.5
20 2b W 1r L +3.5
9 2r W 1b L +4.5
27 1b L nb +3.5
9 1b L 1r W +3.5 *no bet
23 nb 1r W +4.5
18 nb 1r W +5.5 *reset
21 nb 1r W +6.5 *reset
10 nb 1r L +5.5
6 1r L 1b W +5.5 *no bet
13 1r L 1b W +5.5 *no bet

highest bet=4 (on one side)

Slower - but safer.

GLC, this *may* be the solution!

A.

F_LAT_INO · Sep 04, 03:48 PM 2010

--This looks much better Atlantis.Em following your and Georges
exchanges of ideas but don't wish to interupt your thoughts.
Thats how it should be done in each thread.Bravo.

GLC · Sep 04, 05:11 PM 2010

.A.

Excellent results. Very safe way of betting. Good stop/start triggers. I will begin to test according to your latest rules.

Your new tweaks certainly kicked that -78's butt. From -78 to +5.5. Wow!

Can't get too excited though. Perfecting one of these systems is like squeezing a balloon in your hands. You squeeze and get a bulge, so you squeeze the bulge to get rid of it and you get one somewhere else. With enough hands, we might get all the bulges under control.

F_LAT_INO,

Thanks for the encouragement. Glad your keeping an eye on this thread. Jump in anytime you have a suggestion. With your experience, I, at least, feel better with your thumbs up.

I'm a little short of time for a while, but will participate when I can.

Summary of the rules for those who don't want to re-read all the posts trying to figure out how we got to here.

Bet for both chops and sequences simultaneously. Begin betting for chops after the first single color. Continue to bet for a change of color until you lose 2 times then stop betting until that color streak ends which means you'll have a new single to start betting on.

At the same time, once you have two in a row, start betting opposite the chops for the streak to continue until you lose 2 times then stop betting until your 1st virtual win then start betting again.

Bet progression is 2 up/ 2 down. When you lose 2 in a row increase your bet by +1 unit. When you win 2 in a row, decrease your bet by -1 unit.

If you are betting different amounts on both R and B, subtract the smaller bet from the larger bet and bet the difference only (differential betting).

Set a reasonable win target and stop-loss.

For those interested in this thread, please do some tests to help us out with the testing. The more tests the better we can determine how it performs.

Thanks for any and all help.

As Lanky would say Atlantis, "Good on ya, Cobber"

George

P.S. Like I mentioned earlier, any of these EC systems can be played on either craps or baccarat which has a little better odds with no zero's to contend with.

GLC · Sep 04, 06:52 PM 2010

"Bet for both chops and sequences simultaneously. Begin betting for chops after the first single color. Continue to bet for a change of color until you lose 2 times then stop betting until that color streak ends which means you'll have a new single to start betting on."

This should read ...a new single to start betting for chops. Or something like that. It's a little hard to say exactly right and English is my 1st language.

George

atlantis · Sep 05, 08:30 AM 2010

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your interest and encouragement and I am pleased you are following this thread F_LAT_INO. Thanks also to George for explaining how to operate.

Now let's try a real session from yesterday:

Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden 4 SEP 2010: Table 8
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[table=,]
#SPUN ,CHOP ,STREAK , +/-
1,,,0
32,1b L,nb,-1
22,1b W,1r L,-1 *no bet
21,1r W, 1b L,-1 *no bet
11,1b W, nb, 0 *RESET
18,1r W,nb,+1 *RESET
5,1b L, nb, 0
33,1b W, 1r L*, 0
19,1r W,1b L*, 0
15,1b W, nb, +1 *RESET
21,1r W,nb,+2 *RESET
24,1b W,nb,+3 *RESET
20,1r L*, nb,+2
33,1r L*,1b W,+2 *no bet
10,nb,1b W,+3 *RESET
5,nb, 1b L*,+2
4,1b W, 1r L*,+2 *no bet
26, 1r L, nb,+1
12, 1r W,2b L*,0
31,1b W,2r L*,-1
23,1r W,nb,0
33,1b W,nb,+1
14,1r W,nb,+2
21,1b L,nb,+1
32,1b L,3r W, +3 *RESET
14,nb,1r W,+4 *RESET
36,nb,1r W,+5 *RESET
20,nb,1r L,+4
29,1r L*,1b W,+4 *no bet
11,1r L*,1b W,+4 *no bet
25,nb, 1b L*,+3
33,2b W*,1r L*,+4
1,2r W*,nb,+6 *RESET
31,1b W,nb,+7 *RESET
14,1r W,nb,+8 *RESET
14,1b L*,nb,+7
23,1b L*, 1r W,+7 *no bet
23,nb,1r W,+8 *RESET
15,nb,1r L*,+7
21,2r W,1b L*,+8 *RESET
8,1b W,nb,+9 *RESET
26,1r L,nb,+8
7,1r W,1b L,+8 *no bet
30,1b L*,1r W,+8 *no bet
9,1b L*,1r W,+8 *no bet
2,nb,1r L,+7
4,2r L,1b W,+6
19,2r W,1b L,+7
14,2b L*,1r W,+6
18,2b L*,1r W,+5
13,nb,1r L*,+4
30,3r W,1b L*,+6
7,3b L*,nb,+3
14,3b L*,2r W,+2
2,nb,2r L,+1
4,4r L*,2b W*,-1
24,4r L*,2b W*,-3
27,nb,1b L,-4
3,5b L*,1r W,-8
5,5b L*,1r W,-12
8,nb,1r L,-13
35,6r L,1b W,-18
21,6r W*,1b L*,-13
6,6b W*,1r L*,-8
14,5r W*,nb,-3
4,5b W*,nb,+2
12,4r W,nb,+6
18,4b L,nb,+2
10,4b W,2r L,+4
10,4r L,2b W,+2
18,4r W*,2b L*,+4
22,4b W*,2r L*,+6
20,3r L*,nb,+3
2,3r L*,3b W,+3 *no bet
12,nb,3b L*,0
29,4b W*,3r L*,+1
14,4r W*,nb,+5
18,3b L*,nb,+2
34,3b L*,4r W*,+3
5,nb,4r W*,+7
26,nb,3r L*,+4
27,4r W,3b L*,+5
14,4b L,nb,+1
15,4b W*,4r L*,+1 *no bet
12,4r W*,4b L*,+1 *no bet
35,3b W*,nb,+4
9,3r W*,nb,+7
26,2b W,nb,+9 *RESET
15,1r L*,nb,+8
24,1r L*, 1b W,+8 *no bet
30,nb,1b L*,+7
24,2b W,1r L*,+8
35,2r L,nb,+6
1,2r W*,1b L*,+7
22,2b W*,1r L*,+8
30,1r W,nb,+9 *RESET
20,1b W,nb,+10,*RESET
21,1r W,nb,+11 *RESET
17,1b W,nb,+12 *RESET
34,1r W,nb,+13 *RESET
21,1b L*,nb,+12
1,1b L*,1r W,+12 *no bet
14,nb,1r W,+13 *RESET
6,nb,1r L*,+12
7,1r W,1b L*,+12 *no bet
33,1b W,nb,+13 *RESET
36,1r W,nb,+14 *RESET
15,1b W,nb,+15 *RESET
28,1r L*,nb,+14
2,1r L*,1b W,+14 *no bet
26,nb,1b W,+15 *RESET
5,nb, 1b L*,+14
4,1b W,1r L*,+14 *no bet
22,1r L,nb,+13
25,1r W,2b L*,+13 *no bet
20,1b W,2r L*,+12
27,1r W,nb,+13
34,1b L*,nb,+12
7,1b L*,3r W,+14
19,nb,3r W,+17 *RESET
23,nb,1r W,+18 *RESET
31,nb,1r L*,+17
16,1r W,1b L*,+17 *no bet
35,1b W,nb,+18 *RESET
21,1r W,nb,+19 *RESET
23,1b L,nb,+18
33,1b W,1r L,+18 *no bet
28,1r L,1b W,+18 *no bet
5,1r W,1b L*,+18 *no bet
6,1b W,1r L*,+18 *no bet
27,1r W,nb,+19 *RESET
28,1b W,nb,+20 *RESET
[/table]

+20
Highest Bet = 6 (in actuality betting the differential it was 5)
I probably should have quit earlier - but wanted to see how it coped with a downturn or recovers from a negative position so you can see the swings...

The asterisks (*) in the chop and streak columns are just to indicate two L's or W's in a row as a reminder to increase/decrease stake on the next bet (if necessary)
A.

GLC · Sep 05, 10:46 AM 2010

A,

I just ran your last set of numbers playing Hi/Lo, just to see how the same numbers would look on another of the ECs.

It takes too long to post each spin, so I'll summarize.

Highest plus was +22 (This was at 5 spins before the end)
Ended at +18 but was in the middle of a downturn.
Lowest drawdown was -16. (This was at the beginning. Once I got into the positive area, it sayed positive gradually working its way up to +22.)

Still way too early to go to the bank, but looks to be fairly steady and able to recover after going through a downturn.

Your session had a 38 point recovery from -18 to +20 and mine had a 38 point recovery from -16 to +22.

It's interesting that there were no zeros in this session. More like a baccarat session than a roulette session.

Warrior:

Have you been having any luck adapting this to the Dozens? I've thought about it a little, but can't see exactly how to do it.

Cheers,

George

warrior · Sep 05, 04:55 PM 2010

Quote from: GLC on Sep 05, 10:46 AM 2010
A,

I just ran your last set of numbers playing Hi/Lo, just to see how the same numbers would look on another of the ECs.

It takes too long to post each spin, so I'll summarize.

Highest plus was +22 (This was at 5 spins before the end)
Ended at +18 but was in the middle of a downturn.
Lowest drawdown was -16. (This was at the beginning. Once I got into the positive area, it sayed positive gradually working its way up to +22.)

Still way too early to go to the bank, but looks to be fairly steady and able to recover after going through a downturn.

Your session had a 38 point recovery from -18 to +20 and mine had a 38 point recovery from -16 to +22.

It's interesting that there were no zeros in this session. More like a baccarat session than a roulette session.

Warrior:

Have you been having any luck adapting this to the Dozens? I've thought about it a little, but can't see exactly how to do it.

Cheers,

George

GLC i have not fully tested it yet.W..

jordan69 · Sep 05, 05:28 PM 2010

Hi A. and GLC,

Thanks for your words.
I like your tweaks, this is very interesting, really.

I'm a little tired right now, so i'll share more results monday evening.
But right now, it's still good for me

Cheers.

Jordan69

GLC · Sep 06, 11:15 PM 2010

Atlantis,

I was examining your last posted session and I noticed that when you have a loss on the streak side, your next bet is on the opposite color.

It may not make any difference, but I've been playing it a little different. Using the same logic as on the chops, if I'm betting on a streak of Rs and I come to a B, my next bet is also for a R since I'm giving R a second chance to continue streaking.

Same logic as with chops. If the spin is R and I bet on B and get a R, my next bet is still on B. My thinking was to give myself 2 chances to hit the color I missed.

I just realized what you're doing. If the last spin is R and you bet for B and R comes up, then you bet again for B, not because you want to give B 2 shots to hit, but because you've just had 2 Rs and B is the logical bet after each R when betting for a chop.

Now that I've seen the light because of asking my question, I think your method is the pure application of the rule. It may not matter in the long run, but it's better to be consistent.

Since I realized the answer to my question while asking it, I wasn't going to post this, but I thought it might make it clearer for someone else who's reading this thread.

LOL,

G

atlantis · Sep 07, 03:01 AM 2010

Well spotted G,

Just to clarify the "triggers" and the "selections":

When I start play on CHOP (after single colour appears) I always play for the OPPOSITE colour of the last number spun - until 2 consecutive losses when I stop until the formation of another single colour.

When I start play on STREAK (after 2 consecutive colours appears) I always play for the SAME colour of the last number spun - until 2 consecutive losses when I stop until the formation of another two consecutive colours.

So if my FIRST bet on streak loses, I now switch to bet for the last colour to start a streak for my SECOND bet...

Thanks,
A.

atlantis · Sep 09, 12:32 PM 2010

Hi,

Now my idea is to switch between CHOP and STREAK alternately on the EC.

So after 2 consecutive losses I SWITCH SIDES and increase stake by +1

I reset stake to 1 when level or ahead of highest recorded total so far.

I start the below session on the RED/BLACK even chance using the previous selection rules in the last post above for betting chop and streak. I start betting the CHOP.

Casino Wiesbaden - 4 Sep 2010 - Table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,#No.,=Type=,Bet,Win,Loss,=Net=,=Bal.=, Layout
1,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500, *first number is red so bet black
2,32,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Black
3,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500,1 : Black
4,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
5,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
6,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
7,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
8,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Black
9,19,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Red
10,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505,1 : Black
11,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506,1 : Red
12,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Black
13,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Red
14,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
15,10,Bet,2,4,-2,2,507,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
16,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Black
17,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
18,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,503,2 : Red
19,12,Bet,2,4,-2,2,505,2 : Red
20,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,507,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
21,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Red
22,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Black
23,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,510,1 : Red
24,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,509,1 : Black
25,32,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
26,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
27,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : Red
28,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : Red
29,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511,1 : Black
30,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512,1 : Black
31,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511,1 : Black
32,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
33,1,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
34,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513,1 : Black
35,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,514,1 : Red
36,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Black
37,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black
38,23,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red
39,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Red
40,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black
41,8,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Black
42,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Red
43,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,514,1 : Red
44,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Black
45,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
46,2,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Red
47,4,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Black
48,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Black
49,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,512,2 : Red
50,18,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
51,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Red
52,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
53,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,510,2 : Black
54,14,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,508,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to streak
55,2,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,505,3 : Red
56,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,508,3 : Black
57,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,511,3 : Black
58,27,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,508,3 : Black
59,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,511,3 : Red
60,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,514,3 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
61,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Red
62,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,514,1 : Black
63,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,513,1 : Black
64,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
65,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,514,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
66,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,515,1 : Black
67,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
68,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Black
69,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Black
70,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red
71,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,516,1 : Red
72,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,517,1 : Black
73,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,516,1 : Red
74,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,515,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
75,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,513,2 : Black
76,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,511,2 : Red *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
77,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,514,3 : Red
78,18,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,511,3 : Black
79,34,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,508,3 : Black *2L's - Inc to 4 - switch to streak
80,5,Bet,4,8,-4,4,512,4 : Red
81,26,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,508,4 : Red
82,27,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,504,4 : Black *2L's - Inc to 5 - switch to chop
83,14,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,499,5 : Black
84,15,Bet,5,10,-5,5,504,5 : Black
85,12,Bet,5,10,-5,5,509,5 : Red
86,35,Bet,5,10,-5,5,514,5 : Black *reduce to 4
87,9,Bet,4,8,-4,4,518,4 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
88,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,519,1 : Black
89,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,518,1 : Red
90,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,517,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
91,30,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,515,2 : Black
92,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,513,2 : Red *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
93,35,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,510,3 : Red
94,1,Bet,3,6,-3,3,513,3 : Red
95,22,Bet,3,6,-3,3,516,3 : Black
96,30,Bet,3,6,-3,3,519,3 : Red *reset to 1
97,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,520,1 : Black
98,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,521,1 : Red
99,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,522,1 : Black
100,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,523,1 : Red
101,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,522,1 : Black
102,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,521,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
103,14,Bet,2,4,-2,2,523,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
104,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,522,1 : Red
105,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,521,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
106,33,Bet,2,4,-2,2,523,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
107,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,524,1 : Red
108,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,525,1 : Black
109,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,524,1 : Red
110,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,523,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
111,26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,525,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
112,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,524,1 : Black
113,4,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,523,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
114,22,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,521,2 : Red
115,25,Bet,2,4,-2,2,523,2 : Red
116,20,Bet,2,4,-2,2,525,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
117,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,526,1 : Red
118,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,525,1 : Black
119,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,524,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
120,19,Bet,2,4,-2,2,526,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
121,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,527,1 : Red
122,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,526,1 : Red
123,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,525,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
124,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,527,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
125,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,528,1 : Red
126,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,527,1 : Black
127,33,Bet,1,2,-1,1,528,1 : Black
128,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,527,1 : Red
129,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,528,1 : Red
130,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,529,1 : Black
131,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,530,1 : Red
132,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,531,1 : Black
133,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,532,1 : Red
134,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,533,1 : Black
135,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Red
136,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,533,1 : Red
137,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Black
138,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,533,1 : Black
139,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Red
140,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,531,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
141,11,Bet,2,4,-2,2,533,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
142,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Black
143,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,533,1 : Red
144,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,534,1 : Red
145,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,533,1 : Red
146,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,532,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
147,33,Bet,2,4,-2,2,534,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
148,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,533,1 : Red
149,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,534,1 : Red
150,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,533,1 : Black
151,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,534,1 : Black
152,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,535,1 : Red
153,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,534,1 : Black
154,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,533,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
155,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,535,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
156,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,534,1 : Red
157,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,535,1 : Black
158,29,Bet,1,2,-1,1,536,1 : Black
159,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,535.5,1 : Black
160,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,536.5,1 : Black
161,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,535.5,1 : Black
162,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,534.5,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
163,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,536.5,2 : Red
164,31,Bet,1,2,-1,1,537.5,1 : Black
165,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,538.5,1 : Red
166,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,537.5,1 : Black
167,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,538.5,1 : Black
168,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,539.5,1 : Red
169,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,538.5,1 : Black
170,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,537.5,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
171,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,535.5,2 : Red
172,28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,537.5,2 : Black
173,25,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,535.5,2 : Black
174,29,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,533.5,2 : Red *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
175,6,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,530.5,3 : Red
176,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,527.5,3 : Red *2L's - Inc to 4 - switch to streak
177,36,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,523.5,4 : Black
178,3,Bet,4,8,-4,4,527.5,4 : Red
179,3,Bet,4,8,-4,4,531.5,4 : Red
180,23,Bet,4,8,-4,4,535.5,4 : Red
181,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,531.5,4 : Red
182,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,527.5,4 : Black *2L's - Inc to 5 - switch to chop
183,9,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,522.5,5 : Black
184,12,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,517.5,5 : Black *2L's - Inc to 6 - switch to streak
185,21,Bet,6,12,-6,6,523.5,6 : Red
186,15,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,517.5,6 : Red
187,16,Bet,6,0,-6,-6,511.5,6 : Black *2L's - Inc to 7 - switch to chop
188,22,Bet,7,14,-7,7,518.5,7 : Black
189,34,Bet,7,14,-7,7,525.5,7 : Red
190,36,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,518.5,7 : Black
191,31,Bet,7,14,-7,7,525.5,7 : Black
192,2,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,518.5,7 : Red
193,2,Bet,7,0,-7,-7,511.5,7 : Red *2L's - Inc to 8 - switch to streak
194,32,Bet,8,0,-8,-8,503.5,8 : Black
195,1,Bet,8,16,-8,8,511.5,8 : Red
196,30,Bet,8,16,-8,8,519.5,8 : Red
197,30,Bet,8,16,-8,8,527.5,8 : Red
198,7,Bet,8,16,-8,8,535.5,8 : Red *decr to 5
199,11,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,530.5,5 : Red
200,6,Bet,5,10,-5,5,535.5,5 : Black
201,31,Bet,5,10,-5,5,540.5,5 : Black *new high - reset to 1
202,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,541.5,1 : Black
203,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,540.5,1 : Black
204,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,541.5,1 : Red
205,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,542.5,1 : Red
206,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,543.5,1 : Red
207,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,542.5,1 : Red
208,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,543.5,1 : Black
209,34,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,542.5,1 : Black
210,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,542,1 : Red
211,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,541,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
212,6,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,539,2 : Red
213,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,541,2 : Red
214,16,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,539,2 : Black
215,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,541,2 : Black
216,5,Bet,2,4,-2,2,543,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
217,2,Bet,1,2,-1,1,544,1 : Black
218,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,545,1 : Red
219,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,544,1 : Black
220,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,543,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
221,12,Bet,2,4,-2,2,545,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
222,10,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,544,1 : Red
223,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,543,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
224,20,Bet,2,4,-2,2,545,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
225,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,544,1 : Red
226,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,545,1 : Red
227,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,546,1 : Black
228,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,547,1 : Red
229,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,548,1 : Black
230,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,549,1 : Red
231,28,Bet,1,2,-1,1,550,1 : Black
232,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,549,1 : Red
233,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,548,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
234,27,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,546,2 : Black
235,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,548,2 : Red
236,19,Bet,2,4,-2,2,550,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
237,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,551,1 : Red
238,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Red
239,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,551,1 : Black
240,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Black
241,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,551,1 : Red
242,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Red
243,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,549,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
244,1,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,547,2 : Black
245,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,545,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to streak
246,1,Bet,3,6,-3,3,548,3 : Red
247,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,551,3 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
248,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Red
249,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,549,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
250,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,547,2 : Black
251,13,Bet,2,4,-2,2,549,2 : Black
252,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,551,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
253,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,550,1 : Black
254,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,549,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
255,24,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,547,2 : Red
256,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,545,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
257,1,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,542,3 : Black
258,2,Bet,3,6,-3,3,545,3 : Black
259,17,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,542,3 : Red
260,32,Bet,3,6,-3,3,545,3 : Red
261,17,Bet,3,6,-3,3,548,3 : Black
262,27,Bet,3,6,-3,3,551,3 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
263,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,552,1 : Black
264,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,553,1 : Red
265,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,552,1 : Black
266,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,551,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
267,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,549,2 : Red
268,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,547,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to chop
269,25,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,544,3 : Black
270,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,541,3 : Black *2L's - Inc to 4 - switch to streak
271,22,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,537,4 : Red
272,10,Bet,4,8,-4,4,541,4 : Black
273,36,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,537,4 : Black
274,10,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,533,4 : Red *2L's - Inc to 5 - switch to chop
275,23,Bet,5,10,-5,5,538,5 : Red
276,33,Bet,5,10,-5,5,543,5 : Black
277,18,Bet,5,10,-5,5,548,5 : Red
278,22,Bet,5,10,-5,5,553,5 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
279,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,554,1 : Red
280,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,553,1 : Black
281,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,554,1 : Black
282,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,553,1 : Red
283,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,552.5,1 : Red
284,35,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,551.5,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
285,22,Bet,2,4,-2,2,553.5,2 : Black
286,0,Bet,2,0,-1,-1,552.5,2 : Black
287,13,Bet,2,4,-2,2,554.5,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
288,30,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,553.5,1 : Black
289,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,554.5,1 : Red
290,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,555.5,1 : Red
291,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,556.5,1 : Red
292,36,Bet,1,2,-1,1,557.5,1 : Red
293,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,558.5,1 : Red
294,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,559.5,1 : Red
295,15,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Red
296,35,Bet,1,2,-1,1,559.5,1 : Black
297,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,560.5,1 : Black
298,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Black
299,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,560.5,1 : Red
300,13,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Red
301,1,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
302,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,556.5,2 : Black
303,32,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,554.5,2 : Black *2L's - Inc to 3 - switch to streak
304,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,557.5,3 : Red
305,28,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,554.5,3 : Red
306,13,Bet,3,6,-3,3,557.5,3 : Black
307,16,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,554.5,3 : Black
308,3,Bet,3,6,-3,3,557.5,3 : Red
309,5,Bet,3,6,-3,3,560.5,3 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
310,6,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Red
311,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
312,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,560.5,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
313,28,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Red
314,1,Bet,1,2,-1,1,560.5,1 : Red
315,12,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Black
316,5,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Black *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
317,26,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,556.5,2 : Red
318,4,Bet,2,4,-2,2,558.5,2 : Black
319,11,Bet,2,4,-2,2,560.5,2 : Black *EQ -reset to 1
320,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Black
321,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,558.5,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
322,25,Bet,2,4,-2,2,560.5,2 : Red *EQ - reset to 1
323,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,561.5,1 : Black
324,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,560.5,1 : Red
325,29,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,559.5,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
326,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,561.5,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
327,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,560.5,1 : Black
328,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,561.5,1 : Red
329,3,Bet,1,2,-1,1,562.5,1 : Red
330,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,561.5,1 : Red
331,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,562.5,1 : Black
332,15,Bet,1,2,-1,1,563.5,1 : Black
333,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,563,1 : Black
334,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,562,1 : Black
335,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,563,1 : Red
336,11,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,562,1 : Red
337,6,Bet,1,2,-1,1,563,1 : Black
338,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,562,1 : Black
339,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,561,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to chop
340,35,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,559,2 : Red
341,27,Bet,2,4,-2,2,561,2 : Red
342,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,563,2 : Black *EQ - reset to 1
343,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,562,1 : Red
344,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,561,1 : Red *2L's - Inc to 2 - switch to streak
[/table]

+61 in 344 spins

highest bet = 8
There were plenty of opportunities to end the session in profit.

Note on Spin 132 the profit is +31. Compare this to same session played earlier and posted above when playing chop/streak together at same time where the result was +20.

Seems better to play this way than just ONE SIDE or BOTH SIDES together and not too difficult or confusing to chart/record...

Comments, suggestions, improvements welcome.

A.

jordan69 · Sep 09, 02:35 PM 2010

Yeah A.

As usual, what a great job !
Busy now, but i will take my time to study your example
It sounds very good to me.

Thanks for your PM and for ur commitment

Jordan69

GLC · Sep 09, 08:43 PM 2010

Atlantis,

What you are proposing is a method of play that I have played numerous times. It is to play for streaks until you lose 2 (or 3 or 4) times then swith to chops until you lose 2 (or 3 or 4) times. In my experience this system seems to win a little better than just betting on one color every spin.

I have had fairly good results betting this bet selection method and playing the Trioplay system which is just a glorified Pluscoup or Oscar's Grind. The only reason Trioplay is a decent system is that it has built in brake systems which get you back to lower bets when things start getting out of control. It too can have losing sessions.

I have been thinking about a new bet system.

I just did a quick run through the 1st 160 numbers from your post above and ended up +60 units. My largest bet was 10 units.

This is nothing magical and only a little more aggressive than your system.

Bet in stages of 2's.

First bet is 1 unit. As long as you win, stay at 1 unit

Lost 1st bet, next bet is 2. Win and you're up 1 unit.

Lose and you bet 2-4. Lose twice in a row and you go to 3-6. As long as you win on the first or second spin, you keep betting at that level until you reach a new high, then re-set to 1 & 2. Any time you lose two in a row, you go to the next level.

I can see this being extended to 1-2-4, 2-4-8, 3-6-12, 4-8-16 etc... Even 1-2-4-8, 2-4-8-16, 3-6-12-24, etc...

Or Fibonacci: 1-2, 2-4, 3-6-, 5-10, 8-16, 13-26, 21-42 etc... This could get a little wild on really bad streak, but any bet system gets wild on a losing streak.

In those 159 bets there were 85 wins and 74 loses. Any betting system will win with that w/l record.

I want to find a really bad run and see how this bet system will hold up.

They all lose every now and then, just how often.

George

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