EC System

[atlantis]

This is not exactly a flat bet system - but thought it might be of interest. I have used this mechanical system with some success in REAL casino simply betting the Red/Black EC. It also seems to perform well over 100 spin sessions.
Please note this DOES use a progression of 0.5 unit after each 2 consecutive losses...

To begin session: Wait for a single formation of a color to appear eg: RRRB or BBR

'========
STAGE A
'========

Bet the opposite color to the last spun result.

If WIN and level or ahead of current highest profit then restart from stage A at 1 unit stakes.

If WIN and still less than current highest profit (behind) then restart from stage A at SAME current stake level.

If LOSE go to stage B.

'=========
STAGE B
'=========

Bet the SAME color as last time ONE more time. (eg if you bet RED last time; bet RED again)

If WIN at stage B and now level or ahead of current highest profit then reduce stake to 1 unit and go back to Stage A.

If WIN at stage B but still behind current highest profit figure then keep to same stake level and go back to Stage A.

If LOSE at stage B that means you have lost twice in succession. WAIT for color sequence to end first and increase current stake by +0.5 units and resume betting at stage A at that stake level.



Recommended aim = +5 units.

A.

[atlantis]

Result for 23 Aug 2010 Spielbank Casino table 8
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[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout

1,10,No,0,0,0,0,500, Black occurs so bet RED

2,7,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Red
3,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black
4,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
5,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Red
6,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499,1 : Red
7,4,No,0,0,0,0,499,
8,29,No,0,0,0,0,499,
9,15,No,0,0,0,0,499,
10,2,No,0,0,0,0,499,
11,31,No,0,0,0,0,499,
12,10,No,0,0,0,0,499,
13,5,No,0,0,0,0,499,
14,13,Bet,1.5,3,-1.5,1.5,500.5,1.5 : Black
15,30,Bet,1.5,3,-1.5,1.5,502,1.5 : Red
16,25,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
17,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500,1 : Black
18,36,No,0,0,0,0,500,
19,16,No,0,0,0,0,500,
20,6,No,0,0,0,0,500,
21,35,Bet,1.5,0,-1.5,-1.5,498.5,1.5 : Red
22,33,Bet,1.5,0,-1.5,-1.5,497,1.5 : Red
23,9,No,0,0,0,0,497,
24,7,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : Black
25,22,Bet,2,4,-2,2,497,2 : Black
26,33,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,495,2 : Red
27,0,Bet,2,0,-1,-1,494,2 : Red
28,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,492,2 : Red
29,35,No,0,0,0,0,492,
30,0,No,0,0,0,0,492,
31,10,No,0,0,0,0,492,
32,20,No,0,0,0,0,492,
33,11,No,0,0,0,0,492,
34,10,No,0,0,0,0,492,
35,11,No,0,0,0,0,492,
36,30,No,0,0,0,0,492,
37,5,Bet,2.5,0,-2.5,-2.5,489.5,2.5 : Black
38,36,Bet,2.5,0,-2.5,-2.5,487,2.5 : Black
39,32,No,0,0,0,0,487,
40,22,No,0,0,0,0,487,
41,22,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,484,3 : Red
42,7,Bet,3,6,-3,3,487,3 : Red
43,24,Bet,3,6,-3,3,490,3 : Black
44,1,Bet,3,6,-3,3,493,3 : Red
45,4,Bet,3,6,-3,3,496,3 : Black
46,36,Bet,3,6,-3,3,499,3 : Red
47,31,Bet,3,6,-3,3,502,3 : Black
48,16,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503,1 : Red
49,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504,1 : Red
50,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503,1 : Black
51,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,502,1 : Black
52,0,No,0,0,0,0,502,
53,22,No,0,0,0,0,502,
54,5,Bet,1.5,3,-1.5,1.5,503.5,1.5 : Red
55,28,Bet,1.5,3,-1.5,1.5,505,1.5 : Black
[/table]

+5 in 55 spins.

If a ZERO occurs during betting I accept the loss and repeat my bet for next spin as you can see in above session.

For this reason best to use single 0 with le partage rule.

A.

[atlantis]

For stop/win I would suggest +5

For stop/loss I would suggest -54

Losses
=====
2 x 1
2 x 1.5
2 x 2
2 x 2.5
2 x 3
2 x 3.5
2 x 4
2 x 4.5
2 x 5

Do not go higher than 5 units.

Max -54 total risk/loss.

A.

[GLC]

For stop/win I would suggest +5

For stop/loss I would suggest -54

Losses
=====
2 x 1
2 x 1.5
2 x 2
2 x 2.5
2 x 3
2 x 3.5
2 x 4
2 x 4.5
2 x 5

Do not go higher than 5 units.

Max -54 total risk/loss.

A.

I guess if we can't bet half units, we would have to use a progression starting with 2.  That is: 2-3-4-5-6-7-8 etc...  Should probably aim for +10 target and -108 stop/loss?  What do you think?

G

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,

Your idea seems good and logical to me if not playing with 0.5 increments. That would be another way to go .

Thanks George,

A.

[atlantis]

Here is table 9 at Spielbank Wiesbaden on the same day using GLC's suggested equivalent staking pattern with whole units commencing at 2 units:

[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,7,No,0,0,0,0,500,
2,5,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,498,2 : Black
3,18,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,496,2 : Black
4,31,No,0,0,0,0,496,
5,14,Bet,3,6,-3,3,499,3 : Red
6,34,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,496,3 : Black
7,12,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,493,3 : Black
8,29,No,0,0,0,0,493,
9,18,Bet,4,8,-4,4,497,4 : Red
10,0,Bet,4,0,-2,-2,495,4 : Black
11,7,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,491,4 : Black
12,15,Bet,4,8,-4,4,495,4 : Black
13,28,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,491,4 : Red
14,16,Bet,4,8,-4,4,495,4 : Red
15,29,Bet,4,8,-4,4,499,4 : Black
16,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,495,4 : Red
17,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,491,4 : Red
18,15,No,0,0,0,0,491,
19,20,No,0,0,0,0,491,
20,12,No,0,0,0,0,491,
21,8,Bet,5,10,-5,5,496,5 : Black
22,10,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,491,5 : Red
23,3,Bet,5,10,-5,5,496,5 : Red
24,14,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,491,5 : Black
25,20,Bet,5,10,-5,5,496,5 : Black
26,16,Bet,5,10,-5,5,501,5 : Red
27,0,Bet,2,0,-1,-1,500,2 : Black
28,4,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502,2 : Black
29,30,Bet,2,4,-2,2,504,2 : Red
30,12,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502,2 : Black
31,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,500,2 : Black
32,7,No,0,0,0,0,500,
33,23,No,0,0,0,0,500,
34,27,No,0,0,0,0,500,
35,35,No,0,0,0,0,500,
36,30,Bet,3,6,-3,3,503,3 : Red
37,36,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,500,3 : Black
38,7,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,497,3 : Black
39,19,No,0,0,0,0,497,
40,18,No,0,0,0,0,497,
41,27,No,0,0,0,0,497,
42,16,No,0,0,0,0,497,
43,35,No,0,0,0,0,497,
44,20,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,493,4 : Red
45,27,Bet,4,8,-4,4,497,4 : Red
46,31,Bet,4,8,-4,4,501,4 : Black
47,32,Bet,4,8,-4,4,505,4 : Red
48,35,Bet,2,4,-2,2,507,2 : Black
49,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,509,2 : Red
50,34,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507,2 : Black
51,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,505,2 : Black
52,18,No,0,0,0,0,505,
53,1,No,0,0,0,0,505,
54,29,No,0,0,0,0,505,
55,2,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,502,3 : Red
56,6,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,499,3 : Red
57,29,No,0,0,0,0,499,
58,13,No,0,0,0,0,499,
59,20,No,0,0,0,0,499,
60,1,No,0,0,0,0,499,
61,0,Bet,4,0,-2,-2,497,4 : Black
62,8,Bet,4,8,-4,4,501,4 : Black
63,0,Bet,4,0,-2,-2,499,4 : Red
64,3,Bet,4,8,-4,4,503,4 : Red
65,18,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,499,4 : Black
66,0,Bet,4,0,-2,-2,497,4 : Black
67,35,Bet,4,8,-4,4,501,4 : Black
68,18,Bet,4,8,-4,4,505,4 : Red
69,33,Bet,4,8,-4,4,509,4 : Black
70,13,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,505,4 : Red
71,8,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,501,4 : Red
72,19,No,0,0,0,0,501,
73,36,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,496,5 : Black
74,23,Bet,5,0,-5,-5,491,5 : Black
75,10,No,0,0,0,0,491,
76,19,Bet,6,12,-6,6,497,6 : Red
77,11,Bet,6,12,-6,6,503,6 : Black
78,19,Bet,6,12,-6,6,509,6 : Red
79,19,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507,2 : Black
80,29,Bet,2,4,-2,2,509,2 : Black
81,4,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,507,2 : Red
82,13,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,505,2 : Red
83,8,No,0,0,0,0,505,
84,25,No,0,0,0,0,505,
85,34,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,502,3 : Black
86,30,Bet,3,0,-3,-3,499,3 : Black
87,15,No,0,0,0,0,499,
88,35,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,495,4 : Red
89,32,Bet,4,8,-4,4,499,4 : Red
90,20,Bet,4,8,-4,4,503,4 : Black
91,6,Bet,4,0,-4,-4,499,4 : Red
92,36,Bet,4,8,-4,4,503,4 : Red
93,4,Bet,4,8,-4,4,507,4 : Black
94,14,Bet,4,8,-4,4,511,4 : Red
[/table]

+11 in 94 spins
Highest Bet=6

A.

[F_LAT_INO]

Original and very interesting idea.
Will test this on 3000 spins/past live spins/
and will report back when finish,which will take some time
as doing all manual.

[atlantis]

Hi F_LAT_INO,

Good Luck with your extensive test.

These are the first 30 table results downloaded from Casino Spielbank, Wiesbaden for the month of March 2010. I played until +10 profit reached or 2 consecutive losses at stake level of 10 units - according to present above rules and using GLC stakes.

[table=,]
+/-     ,Spins  ,D/Down  ,Highest,
+10,29,7,4,
+10,19,4,3
+10,6,0,2,
+11,52,7,3,
+10,13,4,3,
+13,94,30,9,
+11.5,28,10.5,4,
+11,23,7,2
+10,6,0,2,
+11,25,14,5,
+10,16,4,3,
-78,56,78,10,
+10,31,7,3,
+11,32,11,4,
+11,10,2,2,
+11,54,35,10,
+10,11,4,3,
-36,71,40,10,
+11,55,28,8
+10,56,27,6,
+10,6,0,2,
+10,12,2,2,
+10,56,10,5
+10,14,7,3,
+10,8,2,2,
-75.5,57,78.5,10,
+11,22,2,2,
+10,48,10,4,
+10,46,15,5,
+10,25,18,5
[/table]

There were 27 winning games and 3 losing games.

A.

[GLC]

A,

Nice system.  I just tried a quick session.  Sorry, but I don't have the time or knowledge to post a spin by spin example like you do.

My results were +15 units after only 41 spins.
Highest bet was 4 units.
Never went below zero.

Pretty easy to play.  No pencil and paper necessary to keep track.  Just remember your previous high and your last bet and that's all you need.

Hope this holds up.

As some of our friends say, "Good on ya, Mate."

G

[GLC]

A.

I'm a martingale nut and I always like to see how a system performs with a limited martingale.  The betting system you suggest is fine and very safe.  I'm having excellent results with your bet selection method.

I had a feeling that this system would perform quite well using a limited martingale as suggested in the Filiberte system published in the Monte Carlo Anecdotes.   He suggests a 1-2-4 limited marty and if this loses go to a 1-3-6 marty to recover the 7 lost units.  If the 1-3-6 loses, go to 2-4-8 if this loses go to 3-6-12, until you finally recover to a new high balance.

I increased the 3 step marty to a 5 step marty.  My progression is 1-2-4-8-16 then recover with 1-3-7-13-15.  If lose 2-4-8-16-32 then recover with 3-7-13-25-50.  If lose even this go to 4-8-16-32-64 and if the gods hate your stinking guts and you happen to run into the streak from helllllllll recover with 7-13-25-50-100.  (The airball roulette table I have access to will only let you spread bets from 1-100, thus the 100 unit limit)

With such a good bet selection process, this shouldn't happen in our lifetime.  But if it does, it will set you back 559 units.  In the mean time I'm hoping some brave soul who has tested this betting method extensively and is thoroughly convinced that it's the "you-know-what" will be so far ahead that the measley 559 units will be just a drop in the bucket.

All right, back to earth.

I did play a short session with this betting method to +25 units.
It took 112 spins, but there were a lot of long runs to sit out.
I lost the 1-2-4-8-16 marty 1 time but recovered it easily with the 1-3-7-13-25 marty.
I had to bet 16 twice.  Lost once and won once.

I don't really expect most of us to be willing to risk 559 units on this system, although you could stick with Filiberte's 1-2-4 and 1-3-6 etc... and it would be a lot less volatile.  But if you had 559 units you wanted to invest, I've seen much worse systems to take a shot on.

Just throwing out a little different way to play this.  New ideas could spark even newer ideas.

Note:  I only changed the betting method not the bet selection method and I played the single zero European table at betvoyager.

Regards,

George

[GLC]

Played 1 more session before calling it a day.

94 spins
+23 units (lost connection to betvoyager before reaching +25)
Lost 1st progression once and recovered it easily.
Did have to bet a 25 unit bet on the 1-3-7-13-25 progression.  It hit so whoopeeee.

LOL,

G

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,

Thanks for your ideas and your findings. I am not a big fan of marty - but if it works well with this for you then Good Luck. Yes. Bes to keep with single 0 and "le partage" if possible. (it helps with this method)
I just now thought that keeping same selection method outlined but using "best of five" safer progression might be the answer here...?
I will try it and post an example.
Still, the current results are very encouraging LoL

Atlantis.

[GLC]

A.

Here's a quick analysis for your 30 games listed above.

+84 units in 981 spins.  11.67 spins to win 1 unit.

Note:  Since you ended with +41 units won after your last loss, you were probably due for another loss soon which would reduce the 41 units won down by about 20 units based on the pattern.  That would reduce your 84 units to 64-74 units.

But, at 60 spins/hr. (a pretty rapid roulette game) with $5 units won per 11+ spins = about $25/hr.  May be closer to $20/hr. after the next loss.

78.5 units @ $5/units = $392.50 draw-down. 
10 units @ $5/units = max bet of $50

What do you think?

G.

[GLC]

For those of you who might like limited martys, here's a brief post of my last session.  This is using the multiple limited marty's described above.

138 spins to reach +25 units.
I lost the first two progressions, 1-2-4-8-16 and 1-3-7-13-25 but recovered everything with the 2-4-8-16-32 progression.

Largest draw-down -43 units.
Largest bet was 32 units.
Bet 32units 3 times and was lucky enough to win all three.  A loss would have put me deeper in the hole and I would have had to go to the 3-7-13-25-50 progression to recover.

Definitely more risk with this method but also more reward.  The only way to know if you can stay ahead of a big loss is test, test, test.

G.

[atlantis]

Hi GLC,

Thanks for the update. I have not tried it that way yet. But anyway see this:

This real numbers session from Spielbank, Wiesbaden uses "best of five" progression.
To start play the first FIVE bets at ONE unit.

After 5 bets if level or reached a new high then reduce stake to 1 unit (unless already at 1 unit)
After 5 bets if behind current highest total (total after 5 bets that is) then increase by 1 unit.

If  AT ANY TIME when playing the 5-bet cycle the profit goes to level or ahead of your current highest 5-bet total - then immediately reduce stake to 1 unit and play out the the rest of the 5 spin cycle at 1 unit...

[table=,]
Spin,Number,Type,Bet Unit,Win,Loss,Net,Unit Bal.,Bet Layout
1,7,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500,
2,17,Bet,1,2,-1,1,501,1 : Black
3,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
4,3,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Black
5,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Black
6,8,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501,1 : Red   +1 so stay at 1

7,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502,1 : Red
8,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,501.5,1 : Black
9,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Black
10,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Red
11,22,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Red +0.5 so increase to 2

12,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
13,3,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
14,26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Black  +2.5 so reduce to 1
15,24,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Red
16,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Red
17,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Black
18,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Black +0.5 so increase to 2

19,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
20,9,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
21,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
22,1,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
23,15,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
24,30,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Red +2.5 so reduce to 1
25,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Black
26,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Black
27,33,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
28,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,499.5,1 : Red
29,30,Bet,1,2,-1,1,500.5,1 : Red +0.5 so increase to 2

30,28,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Black +2.5 so reduce to 1
31,26,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Red
32,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,502.5,1 : Red
33,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,501.5,1 : Black
34,36,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,500.5,1 : Black +0.5 so increase to 2

35,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
36,36,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
37,25,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
38,35,No Bet,0,0,0,0,500.5,
39,9,Bet,2,4,-2,2,502.5,2 : Red +2.5 so reduce to 1
40,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,503.5,1 : Black
41,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Red
42,16,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,503.5,1 : Black
43,20,Bet,1,2,-1,1,504.5,1 : Black +4.5 so stay at 1

44,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505.5,1 : Red
45,26,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506.5,1 : Black
46,32,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507.5,1 : Red
47,14,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506.5,1 : Black
48,18,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505.5,1 : Black +5.5 so stay at 1

49,26,No Bet,0,0,0,0,505.5,
50,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,506.5,1 : Red
51,23,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505.5,1 : Black
52,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504.5,1 : Black
53,13,No Bet,0,0,0,0,504.5,
54,5,Bet,1,2,-1,1,505.5,1 : Red
55,21,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,504.5,1 : Black +4.5 so increase to 2

56,3,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,502.5,2 : Black
57,0,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
58,8,No Bet,0,0,0,0,502.5,
59,19,Bet,2,4,-2,2,504.5,2 : Red
60,24,Bet,2,4,-2,2,506.5,2 : Black +6.5 so reduce to 1
61,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,506,1 : Red
62,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,505,1 : Red +5 so increase to 2

63,32,Bet,2,4,-2,2,507,2 : Red +7 so reduce to 1
64,10,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
65,9,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red
66,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black
67,27,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Black +7 so stay at 1

68,5,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
69,6,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
70,31,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Red
71,23,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Red
72,24,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
73,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red
74,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508,1 : Black +8 so stay at 1

75,19,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,507,1 : Black
76,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,507,
77,2,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,506,1 : Red
78,12,Bet,1,2,-1,1,507,1 : Red
79,11,Bet,1,2,-1,1,508,1 : Black
80,21,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509,1 : Red +9 so stay at 1

81,0,Bet,1,0,-0.5,-0.5,508.5,1 : Black
82,4,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : Black
83,20,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508.5,1 : Red
84,34,Bet,1,2,-1,1,509.5,1 : Red
85,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,508.5,1 : Black +8.5 so increase to 2

86,31,Bet,2,4,-2,2,510.5,2 : Black +10 so reduce to 1
87,14,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Red
88,8,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Black
89,27,Bet,1,2,-1,1,513.5,1 : Red
90,9,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,512.5,1 : Black +12.5 so stay at 1

91,7,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Black
92,28,No Bet,0,0,0,0,511.5,
93,17,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,510.5,1 : Red
94,18,Bet,1,2,-1,1,511.5,1 : Red
95,22,Bet,1,2,-1,1,512.5,1 : Black
96,33,Bet,1,0,-1,-1,511.5,1 : Red +11.5 so increase to 2

97,15,Bet,2,0,-2,-2,509.5,2 : Red
98,2,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
99,19,No Bet,0,0,0,0,509.5,
100,26,Bet,2,4,-2,2,511.5,2 : Black
[/table]
END OF SESSION AT 100 SPINS (on spin 2 of cycle of 5)

100 spins.
+11.5 units
Highest bet=2
lowest bankroll = 499.5/500

Obviously there will be sessions with higher stake levels but maybe the bet selection + the "best of 5" can cope with that and outstay a difficult and protracted period?

Atlantis.