[DISSENTING] Re: Linear betting - the wheel and carpet

[Jordan]

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My opinion in this way of playing is that it does not rely on any advantage.
 Even the wheel based way of yours can not have an advantage.
Because if the rotor s  speed in the next spin will be only 1 pocket per sec faster(very hard to notice with eyes),the outcome will be 10-15 pockets far from the prediction...
 If I will mention also the levelcy of the wheel and that the dealer can not all the time spin the ball with a spesific velocity... this method is becoming only a lucky method if you will win sometimes.

It was just my opinion because I am playing a lot of years Visual Ballistics and I know exactly what is going on in a wheel during a spin.

Thank you

[Jordan]

My friend I truly do not want to be negative here!

But the "movement" part that u say about the carpet is gamblers falacy and I know that u are just infected with the VIROUS that is called win3million!
He is the one that is telling about "movements"...and I hope that u know that he is a scam..he runs a buziness to still money from ppl.

Now for the movements in the wheel,the thing that u are playing is just DEALERS SIGNATURE!
The DS is also a falacy!!!
The only way for DS to work is to have a veryyyyy skillfull dealer be on ur side(partner) and spin the ball in every spin with the exact same revolutions!!!     Also this skillfull dealer must do this in a wheel with Dominand Drop point!Otherwise even if he is spining with the same ball  revolutions,the predictions will be also BAD!!!
 Also this skillfull dealer that would be in ur side(partner) must spin the ROTOR with the exact same speed in every spin!(a rotor with just 1 pocket per sec faster or slower will make the outoce to be 12-14 pockers far from ur prediction)
So as u may understand these things will never going to happen!
 If u also need I will mention mention that U will need a good ball type and a wheel with nice frets to have a pattern in the scater!

so factors for ur method to win]

1)spin ball with exact same revolutions
2)spin rotor with exact same speed
3)good ball type
4)TILT
5)good frets

IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!!

DS is just a gamblers falacy!
All the ppl that so called advantage players  in my country are playing DS..and they are all at least -10.000 euros.  
and when they win sometimes is pure luck!Becaouse behind this thing there is NO advantage by phisics.

If u knew how to make a prediction using VB,u would understand that the method of urs(that it isn t urs...a lot of losers play it so don t be sad)is just EXACTLY like playing RANDOM numbers.

If u need any other explanation I am here for u.

Thank u

[Jakkalsdraai]

Hi Jordan,

I understand 100% where you are coming from and what you are saying. That is your believe. Out of 100 VB players, how many would you say are not 10 000 down either?

As a VB player you will agree that there are no patterns in roulette right? It's all random. So if you play vb the biggest problems you face today is the fact that there are low frets, counter measures like change of rotor speed. The use of lighter balls etc. etc. and the list goes on and on.

So even if my drop zone is correct (where the ball hits the wheel). The chances of it ending up in a particular area is really very slim because of the unknown factors. Scatter is unpredictable especially with lighter balls and low frets. So sorry to say this to you but then VB isn't any better than DS because you are facing similar problems.

I agree that TCD uses DS in alot of his methods. Now tell me how is that wrong? How many times do you see that let's say 28 went to 20 then 8 spins later the same happens again? 28 goes to 20 again. Ever seen that? I see everytime I go to the casino. And not once several times.


Kmo Li uses DS as well. And he uses it extensively using bowties, hemis and nukes. Showing different movement on the wheel.

TCD takes no part of CEH and believe me that the terminology of movement on the wheel and the carpet have been used way before he (CEH) ever came on the seen.

Using Kimo stuff I could see how mapping a wheel results in definate patterns. How to use it isn't always that clear cut though.

Back to VB. Personally Jordan, I'm also into VB and I'm playing only VB at the moment. That does not mean that I do not also loose. To be honest the last two outings I had two losses. I know one thing though. I witnessed TCD play and he wins. So maybe give some of his methods a go mate. Afterall he isn't asking you a dime.

Cheers
Jakk

[Jordan]

Jakk

Unfortunatelly If u lost by playing VB was because of 3 factors.
1)U don t use a good method
2)U do not have the right skills
3)U did not search to find a wheel that has the needed conditions.

I am not attacking ANYONE here...
I am just telling u what PHISICS say!

When u see that a wheel has a pattern in the movements like u posted above(without VB) its only because in a random series this is normal to be happenning!
eg if u will see 5 reds in a row in the clockwise direction,what does this mean??is it means that the wheel in this direction will hit more reds???Of course NO!
its the same when u see that with the numbers!

U really need to seperate in ur brain the RANDOM trends and the trends that are happening because OF THE PHISICS!
we can NOT take advantahe of the RANDOM
but we CAN take advantage of the PHISICS.

Anyway,this is a TOPIC about a method...
I just told u my opinion...I will post no longer in here because I am ruining the topic...
let s not make this forum like the other zoo forums out there

thank you

[StackBundles]

Your not recking the post mate just lets try to develop something even more if we all add something constructive we might be able to come up with something better

[Jordan]

stack
When it comes to a point to use the Phisics to win the wheel there are only 2 things that are genuine
1)VB
2)Biased wheels

all the others are just fallacy.

[Twocando]

JORDAN please make sure that we never meet not on  your site/ section or ever in live you are a scam in making!!!!!!!!


You know f of vb or the physics or even your holy grail spelling is wrong. Proof me wrong give me 100 spins and never to repeat any of what I'm saying. You'v got you own section stay out of my topic or proof me wrong.

Victor sorry but this guy is killing a good topic. Promising a Holy Grail and not allowing any other idea to be posted. I can proof this to work.

Try to jump from 1 double street with out repeating any of the previous DS in 5 spins.


TCD
 

[Jordan]

I am really sorry for ur behaviour...
I do not thnk that members like u should be in this calm forum...
If victor really want to have the best forum he will have to ban u.

If u look above I have already said apology for posting in ur forum about why with phisics this can  ot win...
and my next post was just congragulations to the member that won money with it!

[CashGrowth]

Gentlemen,
I have just received a PM regarding friction arising in this forum. This board has to be kept with care from us all as this is a promising reference library for future and I'm sure we all want it to be a long lasting core of knowledge that inspires pleasure and joy.
May the members in state of distress contact each other privately (PM or email) and solve this misunderstanding, not only forgiving, but also assuring agreement and promoting friendship.
May other members also present your interest in help both parts engage in friendship and knowledge development partnership, by advising and supporting them using private ways of communication and not thread replies or new posts.
Thanks you so much and peace to all in this brotherhood.
CashGrowth :.

[StackBundles]

im with twocando on this i believe everything he says i know he makes money
and i see what hes getting at and i believe this can be done

[Jakkalsdraai]

@ Jordan.

Yes I have lost twice in a row. I'm still in the possitive though. If you want to tell me that you do not loose ever......then you are the walking fallacy mate. I mean if you never loose, what the hell are you doing here? I know TCD wins and I know he is a professional player. I KNOW that he plays every single day of his life and that he wins in the longterm.

I really do not understand your butting in here mate. Sure if TCD asked for money for his methods you could be fighting protecting other members.

TCD however does not ask for a cent. He does not have to be here or have to share anything. Others asked him to be here and asked him to teach his methods. Which he is unselfishly doing.

I had a long conversation with him on the phone last night. He was very upset with what was going on. Understandably so. If he wanted to hear the standard fallacy BS and "if it doesn't pass 10 mil spins BS" and so forth and so forth that has been going on at the 'other' forum and will continue to do so, then he would of just stayed there right?

I would actually love to see you take on TCD in a challenge mate. He did call you out right?

Why not get someone independant to supply 100 spins and you take him on?

I bet you will not.

Anyway Vic, TCD told me last night he could not log in which made him think that he was banned. I hope for the members that was interested that he does not ignore this forum from now on.

[Jordan]

I am here because:
Casinos now days are puting low fret wheels and VB can not win!(imagine TCD method that do not rely at ALL in phisics!) easy or u have to search a lot

Thats why I created the HYDRA method.

The deference between Hydra and TCD method is that The HYDRA has special safe MATHS behind it ,wile TCD method has Neither maths ,either phisecs involved!

The other very importand deference is that with HYDRA u start playing with ONLY 35 chips...wile with TCD method I think that u will need at least 100 chips...
Not all ppl that a lot of money to do that!
Thats why Hydra is for any pocket!

[hamsup_sotong]

i dont think tcd was banned jak.
IF any person was banned, im sure that victor would actually post that out.

hamsup

Anyway Vic, TCD told me last night he could not log in which made him think that he was banned. I hope for the members that was interested that he does not ignore this forum from now on.

[VLS]

@ Jordan.

Yes I have lost twice in a row. I'm still in the possitive though. If you want to tell me that you do not loose ever......then you are the walking fallacy mate. I mean if you never loose, what the hell are you doing here? I know TCD wins and I know he is a professional player. I KNOW that he plays every single day of his life and that he wins in the longterm.

I really do not understand your butting in here mate. Sure if TCD asked for money for his methods you could be fighting protecting other members.

TCD however does not ask for a cent. He does not have to be here or have to share anything. Others asked him to be here and asked him to teach his methods. Which he is unselfishly doing.

I had a long conversation with him on the phone last night. He was very upset with what was going on. Understandably so. If he wanted to hear the standard fallacy BS and "if it doesn't pass 10 mil spins BS" and so forth and so forth that has been going on at the 'other' forum and will continue to do so, then he would of just stayed there right?

I would actually love to see you take on TCD in a challenge mate. He did call you out right?

Why not get someone independant to supply 100 spins and you take him on?

I bet you will not.

Anyway Vic, TCD told me last night he could not log in which made him think that he was banned. I hope for the members that was interested that he does not ignore this forum from now on.

Jak, I would not Ban Twocando. The issue is solved now.

I think he tried to log-in while the forum was being transferred to the rouletteforum.cc domain (at the old address it said "forbidden access" to EVERYONE in order to prevent a possible data corruption, having a live database "on" while moving domains isn't specially a good move!).

Please do ask him to log again, as everyone can see, his user is active:

link:://rouletteforum.cc/index.php?action=profile;u=36



At least we got something from the incident, the dissenting area.

Now threads aren't going to be hijacked at this forum.

If you see a post from someone dissenting inside a member's original sharing thread, please report it.

That single post is to be moved to this new area (whether the person likes it or not) and the original thread won't be hijacked, it only gets a single link posted and can continue to be productive.

Regards and please do try to log-in again dear Twocando.

Victor

[Jakkalsdraai]

I do not know if TCD will be back. He made it very clear that he will stop helping others if there are disrupters like in the "other" forum. Tha is why he isn't there anymore.

Like I say he was asked to come here and he was asked to share his knowledge which he was doing until......